izikial Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 well you can use the totem for one card and then abandon soul on a stolen to get 2 more, then the stolen becomes a rat. honistly untill i found out today that stolen arnt unique, i didnt know what to do either but they are so good for 3 ss that i think in a 35 ss list you can easy squeas in 3 or 4 and you use them and the ones your making for all of hamlins sac a freindly things and you still get rats. Basicly your buying a rat that isnt slow, can use bleeding disease and can be sacrificed to hamlin (without loss), and everyone says bleeding disease is rubish, and fair enough its not very versitiel, but it only has a cc or 10 and if you cast it with hamlin a few stolen a rat catcher a wretch and nix, you will get a few casts of and it will start hurting, as i sead in an earlyer post with hamlin dont focus fire, spread that desseis to all that you can in the first half of the game, after that take aim and destroy the way i see it my rats are going to die, most likely it will be quick to, so rather than swarming one thing with rats then the next then the next and having 3 guys who are un touched, i aim to get 1 or 2 rat bites against each person in range, and then capitalize on it in the later turns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 (edited) I've played enough games to figure out my niche with him. I've been taking him to be far less expendable than he actually is. The -4 Ca isn't detrimental when you're abusing the Stolen, because you can just hit a Fate is Meaningless and then use their big hitters against them, or smack them with Pipes and do the exact same thing. Hell, I've even started using the Black Staff now, because of how easily he comes back. My question is this: Does the -4 Ca stack? As in, if he dies twice, is his Ca reduced to zero? I played it that way, but I do not know. Edited October 17, 2010 by Sandwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 i dont think it is, but i dont know wear i read that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 i think its decause when he dies and comes back in he is a new modle and hence has no debuffs and is then given the -4ca, and if he diead again when he came back he would be a brand new hamlin with 7 ca but would then go down to 3 again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bas1 Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 i think its decause when he dies and comes back in he is a new modle and hence has no debuffs and is then given the -4ca, and if he diead again when he came back he would be a brand new hamlin with 7 ca but would then go down to 3 again Agreed. It's a new model, old changes vanish (Such as his wounds suffered). Of course, I don't remember the exact wording on how he comes back, so I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamwyrd Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 (edited) He does indeed come back as a new model and it dose not stack. So when he dies it is only -4 CA ever. Also remember that if your hand is low then your opponent isn't cheating then. So when you do flip high then they have to cheat to stop it and if not then you do what you need to do. I figure that all my cards are going to hamelin and nix only, because the rats are there to be a nuisance and everything else is just there and have abilities instead of spells. The blight counters are probably there for just in case you get one on someone. So then nix, hamelin, and the est catchers use bleeding disease, and do two damage for each counter on them. So ya he has hand issues, but there are many things that you can get cards from. I'm actually playing him in a tourney tomorrow, (maybe, gotta find rat catcher proxies) so ill post how he did here if anybody is interested. Edited October 22, 2010 by Iamwyrd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted October 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 The Rule of Equivalency makes or breaks this crew. I don't know if his ability overrides it or not, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 it dosnt over ride it, if hamlin is closer you get a rat, if the othere trigger is closer then they get what ever they should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted October 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Read page 14. :[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Read page 14. :[ lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 yh but im still sure that its effected by the rule of equivilancy, have you posted in the rules forum to get a marshals opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted October 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 There's quite a heated debate going on right now about that. We have yet for a Rules Marshal confirmation on which is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 There's quite a heated debate going on right now about that. We have yet for a Rules Marshal confirmation on which is correct. To be honest I get the feeling that the Rules Marshals are having a heated debate which is why it hasn't been answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 if he does ignor it then it will be the only ablility that ignors the ROE so i dont think it will, if it did it will be awsom for the hamlin players but bad for all the othere masters and vicer versa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 It would be the only ability that ignores RoE because it is the only ability that directly affects the RoE at all. I'm sure Marcus' ability is the only ability that overrides whatever rule his specific ability states, yada yada. I still hope that the Rats become placed, and the entire section about everyone else getting jack is thrown out the door. They could just make sure to iterate that only one rat may be obtained per unit slain, so that nobody could claim they get three rats off of one body, or if they did get more than one, make the rats suck so much that it's not overpowered, which would really be fine with me, honestly. I wouldn't mind a rat swarm. Boom, problem solved completely, and then I could go buy Hamelin without feeling like an Overpowered dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargazer Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Has anyone used Hamelins Lure of Emptiness ability? Is there anything people can see that is worth taking? What about Totems from other factions which are non master specific... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenabrae Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Guild hounds are awesome, they give a bit of speed and are decent at hitting stuff. They make a good speedbump then turn into rats (also good for (not) hitting Nix in the back to heal him) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Zombie dogs aren't bad either, really. You can go with Alps, too, depending on what master you're facing. As for totems, the Obedient Wretch is pretty much a necessity, due to The Void. I don't know, there may be models added on a later date that could take precedence over the Rats, but until then, 2 Rat Catchers, a soulless(or two) a ton of rats, and the Obedient Wretch are all you really need to faceroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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