anchor to reality? kirai 2

[Bachelor in Transmortis]

can kirai toss X model healing ability (from regeneration for example) to Y model if it's full health?

full wording: "when a friendly Urami model  within 8" WOULD HEAL, this model may have any one Urami model within 8" Heal that amount instead"

checked the timing, it said "would Heal", which is the step 2 of heal timing in page 25:

2. Would Heal – Resolve any effects that would happen if a model would Heal. If this would cause the model to no longer be Healed or the amount Healed is reduced to 0, skip any remain steps of this Timing Structure.

as the effect of anchor to reality doesn't say the model to no longer be Healed or the amount healed is reduced to 0, that means it won't skip the remaining steps.

next, the step that checks the maximum health of model X is in step 3:
3. Check Maximum Health – If the model is at its Maximum Health, it cannot be Healed and the Heal effect fails skipping steps 4-6 of this timing Structure.

because AoR "have any one Urami model within 8" heal that amount", that means the target has changed to model Y in step 2, as such the health that is being checked in step 3 is model Y.
therefore, according to my understanding, kirai should be able to toss it to model Y if it is not in maximum health.

this is what i get from reading the rules and faq. because the example i've seen people used are chronicles and we are legion. but, chronicles wording are "after heal" which is step 6:

6. After Heal – Resolve any effects that would happen after a model Heals.

while we are legion wording are "when...heals" which is step 4:

4. When Heal – Resolve any effects that would happen when a model Heals. If this would cause the model to no longer be Healed or the amount Healed is reduced to 0, skip any remain steps of this Timing Structure.

so it makes sense for both of them don't work, as it's after the step 3.

is my understanding correct?

[Maniacal_cackle]

Ignore the We are Legion errata in relation to Kirai 2.

It was written before the current healing rules.

Under the current healing rules released in the last errata, would heal happens before checking for full health.

So yes, Kirai 2 can transfer a heal from a full health model. It's a core healing mechanic of the crew

[Bachelor in Transmortis]

 

22 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Ignore the We are Legion errata in relation to Kirai 2.

It was written before the current healing rules.

Under the current healing rules released in the last errata, would heal happens before checking for full health.

So yes, Kirai 2 can transfer a heal from a full health model. It's a core healing mechanic of the crew

thanks for the reply. more questions about kirai 2

does "join us" requires kirai 2 to have LoS of the models that's moved through by urami? or LoS to the urami model? and what counts as "moved through"? how much portion of the enemy model's base counts as being moved through? does it include a walk action as well?

and since there's no summon upgrade for join us, how does that work with summoning restrictions? it is still unable to interact and doesn't count for strategy and scheme on the turn they entered the battle right? while they completely cannot interact with strategy at all in GG3. is that correct?

thank you

[Maniacal_cackle]

4 minutes ago, Bachelor in Transmortis said:

 

thanks for the reply. more questions about kirai 2

does "join us" requires kirai 2 to have LoS of the models that's moved through by urami? or LoS to the urami model? and what counts as "moved through"? how much portion of the enemy model's base counts as being moved through? does it include a walk action as well?

and since there's no summon upgrade for join us, how does that work with summoning restrictions? it is still unable to interact and doesn't count for strategy and scheme on the turn they entered the battle right? while they completely cannot interact with strategy at all in GG3. is that correct?

thank you

Join us doesn't require LOS to either of the models.

However, the summoning rules require that Kirai have LOS to the model she summons. That is all you need to see.

Core rules have been errataed for summons, so make sure you have the updated rules.

Summons without upgrades now gain 'summon tokens.'

A model with a summon token is affected by any rules that affect models with summon upgrades.

So no interacting the turn of the summon, etc.

[Bachelor in Transmortis]

6 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Join us doesn't require LOS to either of the models.

However, the summoning rules require that Kirai have LOS to the model she summons. That is all you need to see.

Core rules have been errataed for summons, so make sure you have the updated rules.

Summons without upgrades now gain 'summon tokens.'

A model with a summon token is affected by any rules that affect models with summon upgrades.

So no interacting the turn of the summon, etc.

got it. so it's basically treated the same as usual.

just a bit of clarification for the no interacting rules tho, they cannot interact to strategy at all right? but they can still interact to schemes like normal after the first turn?

[Maniacal_cackle]

7 minutes ago, Bachelor in Transmortis said:

got it. so it's basically treated the same as usual.

just a bit of clarification for the no interacting rules tho, they cannot interact to strategy at all right? but they can still interact to schemes like normal after the first turn?

Yup!

And for the strategy they cannot interact with strategy markers but can do things that aren't markers (like lodestone token on leylines or curse tokens on cursed objects).

[Bachelor in Transmortis]

9 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Yup!

And for the strategy they cannot interact with strategy markers but can do things that aren't markers (like lodestone token on leylines or curse tokens on cursed objects).

Nice! Thanks for answering my questions, but i have More questions for kirai 2:
 

Which one is correct for her revenge:
1. ...Suffer a neg to Wp duels. Suffer a neg to actions targeting this model

Or

2. ... Suffer a neg to wp duels targeting this model. Suffer a neg to actions targeting this model.

As if it's the first, then it means it will affect the join us wp duels

 

Then with join us, if a model hasn't failed to pass their Wp duel, and was moved through with multiple models, does it mean it has to take multiple Wp duels until it fails, or it just take one?

and what counts as "moved through"? how much portion of the enemy model's base counts as being moved through? does it include a walk action as well?

 

[Maniacal_cackle]

3 hours ago, Bachelor in Transmortis said:

Nice! Thanks for answering my questions, but i have More questions for kirai 2:
 

Which one is correct for her revenge:
1. ...Suffer a neg to Wp duels. Suffer a neg to actions targeting this model

Or

2. ... Suffer a neg to wp duels targeting this model. Suffer a neg to actions targeting this model.

As if it's the first, then it means it will affect the join us wp duels

It is the first one. So yes applies to join Us!

3 hours ago, Bachelor in Transmortis said:

 

Then with join us, if a model hasn't failed to pass their Wp duel, and was moved through with multiple models, does it mean it has to take multiple Wp duels until it fails, or it just take one?

Each model only has to make one test per action, since you check at the end of the action.

3 hours ago, Bachelor in Transmortis said:

 

and what counts as "moved through"? how much portion of the enemy model's base counts as being moved through? does it include a walk action as well?

 

This is never clearly defined what 'moved through' is, but most players accept it as any part of your base moving through any part of theirs.

This is for all moves except places (walk, push, charge, swirling Spirit's, etc). Places don't work as you start and end in one spot and ignore everything in between.  You don't move through anything.