Jackhammer Kick and Disengaging Strikes

[rythos42]

Jackhammer Kick on Mei Feng says that it pushes into base contact even if the attack fails or was taken as a Disengaging Strike. Does this push happen before or after the model Disengages?

 

Von Schill announces he will attempt to Disengage. He succeeds. Does he move, then Mei pushes into base? Or does Mei push into base then he moves?

 

 

[Mach_5]

He has interrupted his movement for you to make your disengaging strike, I'd think you would resolve the effects of that strike before he continues his movement (so you'd push, then he'd move).

[rythos42]

That sounds reasonable, even as I would have sworn this morning that the other way around sounded reasonable. >.< I can't even remember why I thought that anymore!

[Mach_5]

Still overtired from a weekend of Malifaux goodness at Wet Coast? 

[The Godlyness]

The attack resolves before the model is moved. (Aka you would push first) reasons if you succeed then the model does not move and you push. If you fail you push then he gets to move. But either way the attack has to resolve.

[Fenton Crack]

Had not really thought about the fact that it says "push into base contact" and not push 3" towards the target.

If you are kicking over a piece of height 1 terrain or kicking a target standing on height 1 terrain or kicking over a 2" gap, this would not be possible.

However, I guess you would just push as close as you could, or would the action fail since it's not possible to finish the action? If you were kicking over a gap, if the action does not fail, does she push to the edge or fall through? Not push at all?

[The Godlyness]

Like any push that hits (impassable, wall etc)terrain it stops. The action itself is completed just fine.

[Fenton Crack]

That is always the way I have played it, and may very well be their intent.  Since most pushed indicate "towards", "away", or "any direction", it seems as though the better language choice might have been "push 3" towards", as that would have insured base contact.

 

Instead of the imperative, they chose the simply indicate that the model does so, which not being a Place, can situationally certainly not occur.

 

So, I thought there might be a possibility this language choice was intentional and driven by "fluff", that it is a leaping forward kick, that cannot be attempted through other models or obstruction (as it can certainly be done if the push into actual base contact is not a requisite) if the way was not "clear".

 

With the interpretation that the push must only be attempted, I guess in my example with Mei kicking a model across a 2" gap (both models on parallel Terra Clips skywalks without "railings" for example, or simply on opposite building across an alley), Mei would end up falling to the ground, as although blocking terrain would end the push, the edge of a piece of terrain would not.

[Ausplosions]

Pushes are ALWAYS directly towards or away.

If a model is pushed towards any point, it is pushed on the most direct route. As per the Rulebook.

[Ausplosions]

Pushes are ALWAYS directly straight line, also,

If a model is pushed towards any point, it is pushed on the most direct route. As per the Rulebook.

[Fenton Crack]

I was not debating the intent whether the path should be "direct", only whether if the action says it results in the the push ending in base contact, that if the base contact that it presumes will take place after the action is not possible, whether the action was therefor not possible.

[Ausplosions]

You still push, you still follow the rules for pushing. It still happens.