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I won 6-2 against Marcus. I will try to report later but i forgot take pics of each turn. 😅 

My crew was:

Size: 50 - Pool: 6
Leader:
  Lady Justice
    Lead-Lined Coat
Totem(s):
  Scales of Justice
Hires:
  The Lone Marshal
  Pale Rider
    Lead-Lined Coat
  Domador De Cadaveres
  Guild Steward
  Guild Lawyer

His crew was:

Size: 50 - Pool: 7
Leader:
  Marcus
Totem(s):
  Jackalope
Hires:
  Myranda
  The Scorpius
    Diesel Engine
  Sabertooth Cerberus
    Soulstone Cache
  Razorspine Rattler
  Order Initiate
    Magical Training

14 minutes ago, katadder said:

It all comes down to personal opinion to a degree I guess. There are a few the community agrees on but past that you will find different people think different things.

I would disagree with leveticus, zoraida, misaki for example, even shenlong is no longer there. Probably others I disagree with but there is more community backing for them 

I hope wyrd agree with us and use the bat-nerf on them in the incoming GG2. 😂

3 minutes ago, Plaag said:

i think the score tells us that it was bad plan)

And @trikk has a good plan. I don't see your point. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Peacekeeper's best master to go (outside of Hoffy) is Nellie.

Probably i would not pick Judge couse of her cost (10+1+2) but looks like a good risk If It works, and she kill 2 models to get 2ss back so i think she defitnly works.

10 minutes ago, trikk said:

Unfortunately not

 

The sun, the moon, the sky

 

Judge is super good versus Ressers. Just not necessarily in Justice as she/he can't keep up with her.

My crew had 3 models that can survive the fast Vale + 3 undergrad bomb without much use of cards and 3 models that can kill Undergraduates quite handy and 2 that he can't summon the best stuff out of. 

Did you get more SS with judge?

I really like Nellie, i was thinking to choose her too. @trikkdid you take picks of your game?

GOD :

-Nexus

S-tier:

-Exporers: Ivan

-10T: Misaki and Shenlong (special mention to Fuhatsu)

-Bayou: Ophelia and Som'er

-Guild: Dashel

-Arcanist: Sandeep and Colette (special mention to Mechanical Rider)

-Neverborn: Zoraida and Dreamer

-Ressers: Von Schtook

-Outcast: Leveticus.

You cannot obey model A with Lucius two times, but you can obey model B and with that obey model B can obey model A again. Then with your third action you can obey model C to obey model A to obey model B to obey model C. 😂

1 hour ago, Jesy Blue said:

What if you could give a model I base contact Distracted as a general action?

Not bad, but then they should change other models like Field Reporter that right now they are not played and they basically give distracted as attack.

2 hours ago, Cats Laughing said:

I understand the idea, especially given how Fast/Slow work, but I don't think Distract/Focus would really result in better balance.  Focus is available to every model (except certain models like Archie) but Distract is not evenly spread around factions, much less keywords.  Colette certainly doesn't need this sort of buff.

Agree, but i think Colette is not tier-s because of Distracted. They have other problems like easy acces to stunned and Coryphee Duet as a killing machine. Add a Rider to reactivate the Duet so the mix get even stronger. 😂

Here you can read: Pag 12 Triggers Timming: Quicksand is an after succeeding trigger so the target must be on table to happen.

10 minutes ago, Romain Miguet said:

Hello,
I hit an enemy with Bad Juju, I trigger Quicksand.
Does the trigger work if I kill the initial target?

No, because the target is not longer on the table. This trigger resolves after dagame.

24 minutes ago, Higgybeans said:

I'm also defender, against outcasts. I haven't decided on master yet. Why have you guys both picked LJ?
I was considering Basse, but Sand Wurm can't bury. Could do a horsey crew though...

For reference, round 2.

It could be a good choice if i were attacking so i could choose side and i could deploy 1/2 me crew after him. If Sand Worm could star bury... 

Family is very "in keyword" because all their shenanigans. Outside of their minions because you are gonna go for Steward, Rider or Lawyer (like most Guild crews). But they can be very funny in keyword and i usually play in that way.

3 hours ago, Filox said:

I have two messages, one good and one bad.

Bad one is I ended up as Defender and against Neverborn.

The good one is I play LJ into Titania so I kind off have the advantage.

What are your parings guys?   

I'm a defender too, i choose LJ against Marcus. 

5 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

So personally I think your plan sounds kind of optimistic and kind of depends on me not trying to stop you. 

Well i think you are the optimistic because most of the people here agree with me and we can see on vassal tournaments. No low cost Minions.

But i give up, if you think you can do It, hope i'll see you winning next tournament with those list to show everybody is wrong.

42 minutes ago, Alcathous said:

I have cheap models that I like and I think are situationally good, but I rarely find those situations in the current GG (Lyssa come to mind). It's also more than just the pools being bad for cheap models, but also that the pools are very good for the big tough ones.

I think this is the point, we all have cheap models that would love to play with but are very situational on the best or useless right now on the most.

We can see on tournament reports. How many times we see games without minions? Even 6 or 7ss minions are hard to see some times. 

13 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

Well for Let Them Bleed, I highly doubt my 5ss minions are the most expensive models in my crew, so any Attacks you put into them are wasted as far as scoring that scheme goes. And if they do happen to be my most expensive models, you wouldn't want to be deleting them anyway since you would need them to be alive, but below half for the first point unless you plan to table me? Furthermore, having the same amount of wound distributed among a larger number of models makes it more difficult to score the second point since you need more individual Attacks, in different places on the board, in order to ensure that none of my models are at full health

No, i will Focus on your 1 or 2 9ss models and then i will clean all those easy targets whist your 5ss would not be able to score LtB.

15 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

For Claim Jump, if you are attacking my 5ss minions, then the model I took Claim Jump on is not being attacked as often which makes it easier for me to score it. As far as YOUR Claim Jump is concerned, I only need 1 model near yours at the end of each turn. Having more bodies makes it easier to accomplish this, and it also means that I have more weight of attacks trying to get your model down to half wounds, even if each individual attack is less effective.

Again no, i will deny your claim jump with Fuhatsu, PeaceKeeper or other model whilst i kill your cheap models.

How are you gonna score Claim Jump or Let them Bleed with those Minions? That is the question. If you spend 10 or 15ss hiring 2/3 5ss minios that i can kill very easy in T1 or T2 i will have the control of activations, board and schemes.

2 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

 

Its not just "how many 10ss models have a Severe of at least 5," nonetheless because they need to reliably hit that Severe of 5, but almost none of the models mentioned can kill that model while still scoring points. Vally is a good exception because she also gets a summon and scheme marker from it

Why not? You said Claim Jump or Let them Bleed are good scheme for 5ss Minions, i can score both with those models whilst i kill your minions each turn.

2 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

Sure but how many 10ss models can kill a 5ss model every turn while still scoring points? I can think of a couple, like Mad Dog, but even in that case I would MUCH rather he be punching Gamins than a Golem or my master

Lone Marshal, Fuhatsu, Valedictorian, Mad Dog, Killjoy, Peacekeeper... And a very long list of models.

34 minutes ago, Alcathous said:

This sounds like player skill then. Can the player with the cheap model unpack in a way that prevents a "free" kill? If they can, that 5ss model goes up in value, if they can't it'll likely die like you say. The higher cost model likely has more agency due to having more on its card, so the cheap model is at a disadvantage. But if played well, there is an advantage to be gained by wasting expensive actions with cheap bodies.

Again, but this goes in both sides. I asume that both players have similar skills so in most games the player with the "elite crew" (it's not really an elite a 6ss model) will take advantage.

47 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

But the equation is not simply "did a 7ss model kill a 5ss model." You need to take into account all the resources that went into that. Did it spend both Actions? Did it move further up the board? Did it spend Focus? Did it cheat a severe from its hand? Did my model have Cover, Concealment, etc that it had to find some way to get around? 

 

Malifaux is a game about making trades. Losing a 5ss model is one of the cheapest things you can give away in this game. Trading 2 Actions from a higher cost model as well a high card and a Focus is a significant investment, what am I going to get from that?

Agree but this works for both players. So i will not spend my activations focused on a 5ss Minion, but if see a good chance to get benefit i will take advantage, so probably my 6/7ss model will kill your 4/5ss model and you will not be able to get nothing back.

Understand me I would like to play with low cost minions but my point is that now in GG1 outside of some specific keywords/Minions its better spend your resources on models that can survived a single attack.

39 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

Er right. But it's spending at least 2 Actions to do that, probably more if it needs to get into range. But I think where we differ on opinion is that is is NOT costing me a VP lol. I am in no way relying on my 5ss minions to score my VP. My 5ss minions exist to be expendable. So if you want to spend your 7ss model's entire Activation killing my 5ss model, that's totally fine. My 9ss model is gonna go off and win me the game while you are busy with that lol. I personally think the community at large has too high an expectation for cheap models. If my 5ss minion is still alive at the end of the game, then I probably used them incorrectly. In my mind, 5ss models are speed bumps, not lynch pins. 

I think we play very diferent malifaux. Show me those list and games with 4ss/5ss models that can let you score VP with 9ss model.

O before i forget It. I think you like to finish all your sentencie with LOL. 

1 hour ago, ShinChan said:

Death Marshals will die turn 1? After how many actions spend on killing 1?

Sure Death Marshals will survived, but outside of him, most of them will not. Right? I'm sure there are a few games where cheap minions can do things but most of the time they will be just a waste of SS.

11 minutes ago, Mycellanious said:

idk if the opponent's beater is using their Focus to kill my 4 or 5ss models, I am a very happy man lol. I don't really see this as a problem and I am unsure why so many people are unhappy about it. 

I'm happy too because the Lone Marshall only spend 1 PA kill that model 21" away and deny a VP and he can still move or shoot other models.

You don't even need to go with a strong beater agains a 5ss minion. The Pathfinder, an Austringer (and his raptor) or a 7ss model can kill your cheap minion in a single shoot with Focus lol.