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On 8/10/2018 at 7:47 PM, Cleezy said:

I am playing a tourney this weekend and Kirai may be coming out so I will let people know how it goes if I do

That would be very useful, thank you

It looks like Scheme Markers VS Corpse Markers If you run Maniacal Laugh, or Gravedigger, or even Archie it seems like 2 Mercs are better. If you run Philip, then 2 Night Terrors looks better. 

It looks like a solid list. I personaly would change Beyond Death to Guises of Death just because i like extra activation and sometimes it's usefull to have a corpse right where you need it from the start of the game. And i'm not sure about Shieldbearers but it completely depends on Schemes & Strategy. Switch for Bone Pile, Doxy e.t.c. if S&S require

7 minutes ago, whodares said:

You could place the marker, force the duels, summon a zombie and then let the zombie walk closer to Kirai. 

There is a gap in activations between Asura and Zombie, where opponent safely one-shot it without triggering Malevolence.

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Asura also guarantees the summoning every turn, while other models such as Flesh Constructs can be targetted more easily.

Yes, but only one summon. And you always have to activate Asura first before Kirai which means you loose benefit from first activation Summon-Sundering-Accomplice combo.

If we need Zombie per turn, it might be better to look at Emissary since he improves survivability for all those Incorporeal Spirits, makes great Kythera Shards and can summon non-master non-totem 6ss model on later turns. 

I'm playing Asura since last GenCon. And she's really good in Boo! Seamus list, with McM and sometimes with Reva. And even with them she usualy spend her activation for walking, placing Scheme marker or even takes Df stance. But i don't see how she fit Kirai. Kirai should improve her survivability because of risk of Ikirio, but in this case Asura must stay in 6" from master.

If you want to summon from zombies she must place Quarantine Zone in 6" from Kirai, so there are not too much 14Wp duels for enemies. Grasping Hands are good if you mostly hit Df, but it also lowers Wk which is a downside for you own Lures. Shikome is a hard hitter summon with Kirai and it choose to attack Wp or Df when enemy have an Adversary (and it will, because it's Kirai crew), so there is no need to spend AP to lower Df. Especially since lot of models in crew will have "+" from Adversary anyway. 

I'm not saying Asura is bad. I just don't see how she worth 8ss with Kirai. Maybe it's worth it with Supply Wagons because of 50mm base? I'm not sure...

One Flesh Construct will cost 2ss less and will provides you summoning anchor for the whole game. And hes also Undead, so have Ikirios protection. Two Night Terrors will also cost 2ss less and give you 4 summons and 2 Scheme markers because of Ectoplasm and possibly 2 more with Datsue Ba and Spirit Whispers. And they even can turn to Seishins  with Spirit Beacon (it will cost a card, so it's just an option)

Asura is 8ss and she provide one zombie per turn. Zombie is 3Wd so it will be enough for 1 summon. Its hard to say what else useful actions can Asura do in Kirai crew... With Gravedigger zombies at least will give a card after death, but it's already 15ss spend just to make one summon and one card per turn

15 hours ago, Adran said:

I would guess the grave diggers are for extra card draw. I've seen night terrors used instead of the Mercs as a ss cheaper, but the Mercs will get the stone back which might be an advantage as it lets you go higher than cache. I'm not sure how much card draw I'd need from the grave digger to make it seem worthwhile. 

Night Terror are good summoning anchor, but they don't drop corpse markers, so it's not a replacement for Mercs in such combo. Gravedigger will provide one card per corpse, corpse will most likely be generated as a result of Kirai summoning and Kirai will most likely summon 2 models from one anchor. So it's one corpse per turn, wich means one extra card during Masters activation (after spending 2AP). Looks like it don't worth 7ss to me... But maybe there is something that i don't see?

@Cleezy could you please explain Gravedigger/Merc? I mean it's clear how it works, but is it worth it? 11ss for a summon anchor on turn 1 + card + 1ss to pool. I can imagine that you can summon Drowned + something expensive so Drowned can become an anchor for Turn 2 and give another card due to Gravedigger. But still, what is the profit of Gravedigger overall?

I didn't got my models from GenCon yet, so still didn't try Gravedigger myself

1 hour ago, Spyrer said:

i would probably also consider subing a belle and a crooligan for asura roten, 1 extra activation turn 1 at the cost of seamuses first 0 action and a 9.

that's pretty clear idea, but it's just against Math's list idead where he have no prime targets and all models costs same 4-5SS  Just because Asura will be the most expensive model and will be prime target, especially when Vendetta is in the pool. And she will die easily, that's guarantee. Personally i do love Asura in Seamus lists, she do lot of stuff outside her activation, but, to be honest, it's always a problem to spend her own AP's effectively...

I do not argue, just talking about local meta You know, couple of Katanaka snipers with +++ to Attack and ++ to damage shooting 28" with 2/3/5 damage line and Critiacal Strike is not so unique. And with 5Wk it will take about 2 Lures to get a sniper somewhere near the center. 

I'm not saying that Belles or any other unit in list are fragile. But if an opponent have no other targets, it's not so hard to take off couple of models per turn. For example meelee heavy Neverborn list would only benefit of such amount of Lures. Belles live long because usually there are more prioritise targets. But if i face this list as an opponent my focus will be on Doxys and Belles only. No need to spend AP trying to kill Seamus with DYKWIA and a Hat. No need to spend AP for Crooligan, Crooked and Necropunk (well outside of Surround and Covert Schemes). So if i'm aggressive, Belles and Doxys will be dead pretty soon. 

I personaly do love Belle bomb, but usualy adds Emissary and/or Sybelle with Not Too Badged Up. But it's completely different list and idea.
 

However, i see a good potential for this list with such s&s like Ply For Information, Public Demonstration, Vendetta, Set Up, Covert Breakthrough and Undercover Entourage of course. And opposive side, when such list could be a gift for an opponent : Supply Wagons, Symbols, Public Executions, Hold Up Their Forces, Show of Force, Punish the Weak.

I will defenetely try the list but i'm really worried that it might not work well in my local meta... Rotten Belles and especially Doxys are almost always a prime tarket for an opponent and they are really squishy when you face Shenlong with Snipers/McTavish, or Lucius with Thralls and Trappers, or heavy-blast-Wong e.t.c. However, i never thought about Crooked Man in a list with lot of lures and pushes and it sounds good  

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The model will be Lured as normal. Other example - Anna Lovelance aura with different wording. It will force a model to stop on the edge of the aura. Anna's auras works only with enemies, but it doesn't matter in case of this topic, she still has a clear wording "...Models which would be illegally pushed or moved into the aura stop at it's edge."

16 hours ago, Ghoul said:

@Sagrithow were you able to dish out 17 burning???

My Little Helper on Lampad, use it in the beginning of the Turn. Reva push a Lampad with (1)Blood Mark, Lampad takes (0), move through 4 models. Reva use (1)Blood Mark again on Corpse Candle, push it and Candle make (0) targeting Lampad and give it Chain Activation. Lampad activates use (0) 2 times, pushed through 4 models and back again. Hit two engaded models 2 times with regular attack and gave away 5 burning more (once with extra Tomes on flip). Lampad didn't managed to live till the end of the Turn, but I think it's a good trade anyway

Hard to say about all faction at once )) maybe you need more information for a specific Master or Crew?

If we are talking about book 5 models than I would say Seamus synergies impressively well with Asura and even Kentauroi. Actually almost all synergies well with them ))) Molly now prefer a Kentauroi taxi instead of Sybelle. Asura is awesome anywhere, and Reva loves her for her Corpse markers. Reva synergies well with Lampads, just tried one yesterday and it gave away 17 burning on a turn with Reva (however didn't managed to summon more). Bone Piles are awesome for Ours, they didn't need a specific synergy really, they are just good utilities.

McMourning now have Test Subject upgrade that allows him to hire Beasts and Academics. Lot of different combos, really lot of them. For example Forgotten Marshall + Malifaux Raptor can be anywhere on the table for Schemes and Strategies purposes.

Seamus now can hire and summon Showgirls and it opens a gate for interesting combos like Cassandra copies actions from summoned Performers or just summon Ice Dancers for Schemes

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How can a person who own full Neverborn faction say that summoning is a problem?

Zoraida doesn't care about summoning at all. You summon Hanged? Nice, she will Obey it and you will suffer from Whispers. Summoned Shikome? Nice, easy 1AP charges in your own models

Pandora have lot of CA actions and lot of "passive" damage from Misery

Lilith can take out any key model she likes with her place shenanigans without LoS

Dreamer is an awesome summoner on his own

Collody can play his Schemes and doesn't really care about amount of your models. And some kind of "obey" will prevent you from summoning Hanged

Summoning can be frustrating for a new player, that's true. But it's not something unique and Kirai is not the scariest summoner 

I'm not a Polish and I'm not an Arcanist either, but I absolutely hate Raptors as an opponent

they just a cheap activation that prevent enemy models do what they like. No charges or interact action will be made when it's crucial because of engagement with a 6Df 4Wd bird.

I'm so excited to try them in my McMourning crew )))

On 6/2/2018 at 6:19 PM, thatlatinspeakingguy said:

The former is true (maybe with the exception of Yan Lo), but the latter is something which has more to do with your attitude and game habits than with Hayreddin himself. Ask yourself: do I have to play the same support pieces every game? I know it's hard to leave that Doxy/Belle/Nurse/Chiaki/whatever you think of on the shelf, but sometimes what you at first consider a suboptimal list turns out to be less (or not at all) suboptimal once you get used to it. I can't help but think about a friend of mine from Krakowball team who forgot to take his Carrion Emissary with him and played without it at ITC this year, yet he won every or almost every game, despite that for Reva, a master he played, Emissary is considered by many (if not all) to be indispensable.

Oh that's interesting I must say, that I never can find a place FOR Emissary in Reva crew ))) is there any ressers reports or at least rosters from ITC? I see some nice topics in other factions forums... Haven't your friend thought about making some kind of report?

13 hours ago, katadder said:

How often do you see the standard emmisary conflux? It's either a master related one or mlh 

Seriously? Giving "+" to all those Lures when you have couple of Belle's could be pretty crucial on Turn 1 especially nowadays with GG18

Hmm... Chiaki was very simple to assemble, i had no issues with her base...

Outside Ressers/Neverborn the only Master that really catch my eyes is Asami Tanaka. Awesome story, awesome miniatures, awesome gameplay. No doubt i will grab her eventually 

I would say Seamus. First because of Rotten Belles (you will need them in future) and second because of more flexible and "fair" playstyle. I would also say that Reva might be a good experience for you, but not as good experience for your wife because for unexperienced player Reva may looks like too powerfull and unbalanced master with her 21" treat range, "free" charges without LoS, ignoring terrain and (0) action that let you spread Burning all over the board without LoS and reach... It could be very frustrating when you just start playing Malifaux, because lot of Reva's stuff will break what you learned from Rulebook
Seamus will provide more straightforward gameplay in the beggining but he also more flexible Master overall, when you expand your miniature pool and get become more and more experienced player.

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She's a good model with Molly, or Nicodem