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So if there's effectively no way to deny opponents through positioning tactics than it's pretty moot. If you wanted to 'lock down' a passage, ally, bridge, or some choke point and there's seemingly no mechanical way to do so than that feels moot. Would you mind giving me an example of how models that can create terrain or markers intended to 'control' areas of interest be at all effective in these tightrope walking scenarios? It seems to me that these models in essence want the ability to control the board through manipulating movement access and if they cannot than I am unsure of their fundamental purpose.

Not arguing that fluff should be a basis of mechanics. I was making a point that it's satisfying when they seem to Complement each other.

Thanks! super helpful. Really appreciate the bonus photos

What about Hard to Kill interacting with shielded? Can the models controller choose not to burn the Shielded if HTK resolves first?

Cheesy in both fluff and mechanic. Mechanically it would seem cheesy to render outmaneuvering and tactical positioning moot. If you take away players agency to counter their opponent through maneuvering and positioning it would greatly detract from the game IMHO. From a Fluff standpoint it doesn't "feel" right if a lumbering size:4 golem pirouetted atop a clothesline to avoid the opponent's counterplay. Obviously fluff has no grounds in a rules debate but it's nice when mechanics complement the fluff as much as possible leading to a good immersive game experience IMHO.

I ask a similar question in that thread too. Tightrope Walking

So how would you mitigate any cheesy tightrope walking shenanigans? I've had a couple games in 2e where enemy models climbed up fences and walked as normal across a razors edge then dropped which skirted the intended rules of the terrain and resulted in a poor play experience. the fence was climbable so no rules were broken but it didn't feel right. Making a blanket rule where railings, banisters, and other 'sliver' pieces of terrain are Impassable might help solve the issue but the problem with declaring all 'tops' of things like fences as impassable is that models would not be able to climb over fences at that point. So any ideas on how to solve tightrope walking?

Absolutely, I completely agree and am so glad that we have very dynamic terrain and models and that its not an aesthetic similar to mancala. Not sure what your point is or if you answered the question. My apologies if I don't understand your answer but I would love clarity. I love referenced opinions but a reference without a statement feels a lot like "Try reading the rulebook, it has your answer" Which isn't as productive or helpful for me. Thanks for your understanding.

So I was wondering what constitutes “any”? If it means in part or fraction of than that would mean if even a sliver of a base would cross over the edge of terrain than the model would be forced to fall. This would be weird mechanically because it would result in “free” movement shenanigans as well as making movement more restrictive and tactical because of the added difficulty. If any implies 'the entire' than that would mean players could move around objects only utilising slivers of terrain while most of their base were unsupported (if players wished to cheese). I’m thinking of a scenario where there’s a model on a bridge with the intent to block movement and an enemy model climes the 2mm rail on the side and tightrope-walks around the model intending to block. In my group we play more pragmatically with loose rules of “if it fits it sits” but I would like to hear your thoughts on the “actual” rules of the game for adjudication purposes. Thoughts?

Let's start with this rule pg.14 DRB So I was wondering how this comes into effect with models on different elevation. If there’s a piece of terrain that has multiple levels can models ‘overlap’ If on different levels or is this above rule all-encompassing? On page 14 there's a Pandora/Rasputina example. Let’s say Pandora is actually standing base to base with the height 2” crate and Rasputina is Pushed 2” towards Pandora. Two inches would be enough to move Rasputina completely off the crate which would mean she would be directly above Pandora which is why the overlap rule exists. So in my opinion Rasputina's push would stop immediately before she would overlap Pandora’s base. Was Raspy’s push “interrupted? Invalid vs Interrupted Next Question, What if a model is standing on a bridge. The gap below is 2”. Does that mean that all non-incorporeal models cannot walk underneath the bridge because the bases would overlap? Would love to know your thoughts. Thanks

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No sorry, completely hypothetical but I think with the help of everyone I have a better grasp of Shockwaves, THANKS!

Another question, Shockwaves still go off even if the original target of the attack is killed correct? E.g. Attack action does 2/3/4 damage and has a trigger that generates a shockwave. the trigger doesn't state any timing so its assumed to resolve after succeeding, 2F in the timing chart. The damage is resolved in step 2E and kills the target, then the shockwave in 2F correct?

Would you help me out and explain why? I know Blasts are unaffected by effects that increase the damage, is this also true for Shockwaves? if so, why? So triggers are part of the attack action therefore they follow the actions effects like if it has a ,(Except they specifically are unaffected by Cover and Concealment)

On a related note, since shockwaves do not target, do they get around Incorporeal and other effects that conditionally are predicated on being the target of an attack action?

What I was wondering is who's marker is dropped if both models had markers available to drop?

So how does Plant Explosives work in all this?

Didn't even think about that, yes, agreed. Busted as hell. I wasn't interpreting the out of activation action would proc the activation status, (kinda like a sudo paralyze) Rather, I was wondering if it were a 'condition' to be met kind of like the other conditional clauses like, "Enemy only". I was wondering if this 'clause' could not be met than the trigger could not be declared/would auto fail. The idea that, if not in the activation phase, Once per activation could not be declared. Is the "Once per activation" part of the text just ignored? any chance there are rules references that could help me out? I agree with you, I think this is most definitely the intent. Any chance you could help me out with some rules quotes?

If a Family model ends its activation and uses their ability, "iA POR EL!" to have another family model take an action, is that other family model considered not-activated? If so, can it not declare any "once per activation" triggers such as Family Values? Would love your thoughts. 😁 On a related note, How do "Once per activations" interact with step C-3 in the timing chart? If there were Once per activation effects that happen during or after step 3-C how would this resolve?

But you still haven't stated any viewpoint? I mean I can infer your interpretation but you have simply reiterated a portion of my original question. In my original post I stated that the modifiers cancel each-other out. So for the purposes of the duel there are no modifiers. But I was curious if anyone wanted to share thoughts on the principle word "without". I happen to agree with you @Nikodemus but was hoping for a discussion or at least a propositional statement. Seems unproductive to say, "Seems clear to me" and then not state a viewpoint. Was just wondering if anyone else other than me questioned if the word "Without" could be interpreted in multiple ways.

Yep, those are the rules indeed. Thank you for referencing the rules pertaining to my question.

I was wondering whether retroactive existence is a thing in 3E. Specifically looking at the ability on most of Euripides' crew. So if a model performs an attack action targeting an enemy model and through some game mechanic had both a positive and a negative modifier imposed on the duel and subsequently canceled. was that duel "without" Fate modifiers? Obviously the duel was not affected by modifiers, but I was just curious if the model could still have the agency to use it's ability, "The Old Ways". Thoughts?

I wanted a PDF so I could look at the format of the 5 scenarios and recreate them in a 3e version. I am hosting a Malifaux event at Statigicon and will be giving TON's of demo's and need a solid format. This is what I am looking for @Yew Arcane Quick Start Rules