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As I posted in the other copy of this thread, Misaki as the active player chooses whether to use From Nothing or not before Sword Trick.

The active player's effects happen first, so Misaki chooses whether to use From Shadow or not, and if not then Sword Trick happens.

Oh it definitely does vary by faction, but everyone has at least a few options, and Armor 2 always comes with a minimum of -1 health and typically worse stats.

Haven't played against her but Smothering Flames is also a huge selling point.  Going up against a ranged crew and you can ruin their "hide in the backlines" strategy.  Heck, not even long ranged stuff, but even things like heals suddenly get a lot harder for the enemy to use (also, interesting thought, it might also affect Assist which would be super wild)

36 minutes ago, NeaTheOutcast said:

So, if you use a tactics token then, you can ignore your natural black joker draw by flipping a new card to replace it? Then black jokers mean nothing in this game?

Not nothing, you can't cheat on the BJ but spending a TT to reflip is still an option.

3 hours ago, Kevinsmith101 said:

The harsh reality is that armour 2 is too strong, when damage track across the board are weaker even on min 3 you only take 1 wound. The crew has healing in spades thanks to Hoffman and the tool kit. There just isnt enough anti armour out there 

I disagree.

2 hours ago, Michael Curran said:

So only ( 5 ) models total may ever be summoned?

5 models at one time, if they die the upgrades can be reused.

I use Battlefoam's bag on wheels here and it fits everything in the Cult (including Horo and Goryshche) with some doubled up Squads and the Hordes Allegiance box (Whelks and Frenzy have to stay at home though).

5 hours ago, Morgan Vening said:

If you don't need LOS, you don't need to draw sight lines.

This is the core of the problem I think.  Does an effect that tells you to ignore LOS mean 1) that part of declaring your target is not done at all, or 2) that you do still draw those lines of sight but the targeting succeeds whether any lines are blocked or not?  My assumption is 1, but there's nothing in the rules clarifying either way and as mentioned above this does have an impact on Shadows.

6 minutes ago, Adran said:

This doesn't answer the question when its related to a model that just has no rules to drop markers (as opposed to rules to not drop markers) such as the void wretches (who aren't living, undead, beast or constructs), which I think constructive salvage would drop a scrap from.

Agreed, I see that similar to attacks that don't normally deal damage still being affected by +1 damage effects, so in this case a Void Wretch killed by a CS model would drop 0+1 markers.

• Creative Salvage: Enemy models killed by this model Drop a Scrap Marker in addition to any other Markers Dropped.
• Demise (Explosive +2): After this model is killed, models within p2 suffer +2 damage. This model does not Drop any Markers when killed.

As much as I'd like to say Creative Salvage gets around it, at least in this example I think the "in addition to any other Markers" bit does mean that if no markers are placed the bonus ones are also not placed.

1 hour ago, Corn said:

If you wanted to fix these issues and make Lucius more interesting than an Issue Command Card Generation Bot, he needs to have an incentive to actually use his other abilities.  I would start by buffing Hidden Sniper to lose the gun icon so he can call in sniper strikes while engaged (after all its not Lucius doing the shooting!) and build in a Ram to the stat, add back the trigger to create or destroy a scheme maker near the target, and give it a + flip if the target is within 3 of a scheme marker.  Give him back Stat 6 with his cane and build Distracted into the Fancy Cane itself so he can apply a layer of the debuff each time he hits (and a second layer if he declares the beautiful clothes trigger).   Give him Protected (Minion) so he can schluff attacks off himself onto his minions and treat them as the disposable cannon fodder peons that we all know that they are.

Giving Protected to a master whose crew draws cards as often as his does would be way OP.  Who knows, maybe one of his alt cards will be more melee oriented but it sounds like you just want him to be basically unkillable.

The game effect is happening to the models with Scamper not the model that cheated, so they would all get to push

The solution is to have it "replace" the rg instead of "treat" it like that. I guarantee rules lawyers will argue it's still a  as-written

12 minutes ago, stonecrowe said:

@Saduhem in your post, you made reference to hanged using stones for suits, but they aren't soulstone users. Am I missing something? 

They have Attuned, so they can use stones

The "may" is not the problem, "treat" is. You're not replacing the rg with 1, you're just treating it like that's what it is. But the action's actual rg still includes the  so it can still be affected by Bulletproof, etc. How it worked in M2 is irrelevant, all that matters is the wording in this version

Hot Spot is very valuable to the crew, forcing the enemy to take damage to either put out Burning or Distracted is nice compensation for both being so easy to remove.  He's more of a harassment / schemer than a beater, it's just that he's in a keyword filled with harassment / schemers.

That's a really good question. If first, you can totally mess with the enemy's ability to blast. Until now I had assumed it's placed last but that doesn't have anything backing it up in the rules

They are, but they weren't when I posted theyre pretty decent, not great damage but the long range scrap drop on Throw Yer Arm trigger is a pretty unique piece of setup to let you slingshot a melee beater into the enemy's face.

2 hours ago, Rcarrillo said:

The real question is: how misery works as an aura on page 30.

Pg30.
"Auras are not cumulative. If a model would be affected by multiple Auras of the same name (i.e., if the aura would change its game state in some way), then it is only affected by one such Aura of its controller’s choice."

It works like any other aura.  If you have two models with Misery in range of a model that gains Stunned, it is affected by Misery once.  Pandora losing the "one effect causing 1+1+1+... damage" shenanigans was very intentional.

1 hour ago, Tris said:

Meaning a single list or including a "sideboard" for tournaments?

Yeah, the official tourney rules for a 1C game have you declare a pool of 2 Commanders, 40 scrip of units/assets, and 9 Stratagems that you can make your lists from in the tourney

32 minutes ago, solkan said:

Not enough Flaming Rhinos in the world for me to agree with the statement that that's a "buff" to Cult.  😛  Each force has enough simple duels that their forces rely on.

True, that was more regarding their units needing to put ST's on themselves for Glory.  This means that Doomseekers can summon care-free and Broken can ramble to their heart's content  

Just bringing a question over from the discord.  It was asked whether a Shaken Token can be used in your opponent's Simple Duel, and if so when?  The relevant info is:

• Shaken: During a duel's Modify step, the opponent may choose to remove a Shaken Token from this unit to give a Fireteam involved in the duel -2 AV during the current Action.
• Step 2: Modify: At this point, players have the opportunity to use a Token (Inspired, Shaken, and Tactics) and/or Cheat Fate following the rules on page 7. Players cannot use more than one Token of each type in a duel. The player who initiated the duel is the first to choose whether they wish to Cheat Fate or use any Tokens, and they may do so in any order. Then, the player who did not initiate the duel (if another player is involved) may Cheat Fate and/or use any Tokens.

The green text seems to be the relevant part to this.  Either we say 1) that the opponent has the opportunity to spend the Shaken Token after the acting player has cheated and/or used Tokens (and then figure out who gets to use that token in a 3-4 player game), or 2) the "if another player is involved" part locks the opponent out of using Shaken Tokens on simple duels (which would be a pretty decent buff to the Cult in particular, such as Doomseekers using Open Portal).  What do we all think?

It's not generating an action, so I'd argue the model still gets triggers

As-written it does count as using their one activation, yes. Hopefully that gets a rewording before launch to not have that be the case.