DeadManTalking

So Nurse Heartsbane is big in her list? Lol I've been futzing around with the app trying to build a list with Sonnia and I just can't seem to get one that I like. Maybe it's just not having enough experience with her.

So do people feel summoning Sonnia is the way to go now? I tried it out a long time ago (like beginning of 2e) and was able to summon a stalker or two but it never felt super powerful since it's so resource and AP intensive. If you are going for Reincarnation, what are you usually taking in your list?

There's always going to be counter play, but with both Frank and Perdita being combat 7 the odds are in their favor.

True, but if Frank is nearby which he probably should be, you can always go with Frank and charge whatever big target you want dead then companion into Dita. Thats a dead Yasanori right there. I understand he has a 10" charge and your opponent can try to keep him or whatever other target you're going after at a distance. With alpha strike lists its kind of a flip of the coin. Who does their shtick first and most successfully. In my meta any outcast player that plays viks either wins big or lose big top of turn 2.

That or alpha strike faster/harder. Sometimes it's better to deny the alpha by doing your own and depending on the alpha you're facing, removing one model can ruin the whole design. Perdita is really good at deleting a model per turn and can get to where she needs to quite easily. You may have issues with killing a master, but henchmen are definitely killable and anything below that hardly stands a chance.

Too bad you don't have Nellie, that's a great scenario for her. Even just to have access to Phiona who makes Dig a whole lot easier. Guild got much better at Show of Force with A Debt to the Guild. You may want to consider that on the judge instead of Lead. Abuela isnt bad, but I still havent fully figured her out so I cant comment on her. Austringers are good, but I think one is fine. Id pick up the Brutal Effigy because it's just a super good cheap activation and a watcher if you have one. In terms of schemes, show of force and dig are perfectly fine. You could also go with undercover entourage with Dita. Shes not easy to put down and last turn she could just walk to your opponents deployment from the middle of the board

I'll be there!

For the most part both of the masters work well alone, meaning that unlike Nellie or Lucius or McCabe they aren't really interacting with models in their crews. Now this isnt to say there are zero interactions, but most of these interactions are about getting the master into place to kill the enemy. Perdita benefits from having at least a few Family members in her crew with one of her main mobility abilities requiring a Family member to target. Sonnia on the other hand doesn't really require and characteristics, just models that push her up the board so she can start blasting away. She does have synergies with Witch Hunters and I would recommend taking at least a few, witchling stalkers are slow but they are great models for 5 stones. Both masters have a similar play style though, and that is get them into effective range of a target rich environment. Perdita deletes a single model a turn very well, and this can be anything from minions(though here she could probably kill 2) all the way up to henchmen. Sonnia can delete models, but from my experience she does a better job dishing out damage to large swathes of your opponents crew. The Brutal Effigy works great with both masters and is a super solid 4 stone model. Monster Hunters seem like the new hottness, but I havent had a chance to try them out yet. I think Sonnia might enjoy taking the Domador de Cadaveres and a Rotten Belle to pull models your opponent hides in cover or to pull your opponents models into clusters to maximize blasts, but this is just theoryfauxing and I havent tried this out on the table. Also it could be viewed as a crutch, but I come from Neverborn where I never played a competitive game without the Doppelganger, Frank is pretty much an auto-include in most Guild lists.

I played a team game a few months ago with Lucius and Sonnia, I know teams breaks the game, but you can get 4 sets of walls out and basically our opponents couldn't get out of their deployment zone. Two sets of walls in a game seems just so strong that I feel like I'm gonna have a hard time not using them. Maybe in a super killy scenario I could see Sonnia's totem be more useful, but even then if my opponent is going to be gunning for my crew so stopping their big beaters from getting to me also seems like a good play. I'll definitely try the new upgrades, they just seem lackluster to me.

How are people feeling about Sonnia's new upgrades? Have they drastically changed her playstyle or are the old upgrades still taking precedence? Summoning her totem mulitple times a game seems like it could be good especially with it's anti-soulstone aura, but from what I understand of Sonnia, the Malifaux Child seems like the better choice. Melee Sonnia sounds like a fun gimmick, but doesn't seem very competitive :/

I've never seen a Levi list like this. I'm not saying it's a bad one, but those aboms look like easy platforms to blast off of, and if you can remove the waifs Levi's mobility goes way down. I'd have to see it in action, but just at a glance that list doesn't scare me.

I'd be hesitant to take her against Outcasts with the possibility of Von Schill showing up, plus my meta has been running Misaki in outcasts with a bunch of Friekorps models. I definitely see the benefits of taking her against neverborn having been a purple player for all of my 2nd edition experience. Are there any other masters that Sonnia just hates to face?

So let's say you're at a tournament, and looking at all the tables they all seem to have a good amount of LoS blocking terrain, a fair amount of severe, and a good helping of scatter. What's a scenario that you would choose to drop Sonnia? Is it strat/scheme based? Is it dependent on your oppenents faction? Let's assume you have access to every model in Guild.

All very true, though access to upgrades and stones is a huge bonus in my opinion. I see the benefits of taking a n expensive minion in Collect the Bounty, but outside of that unless I'm taking a master that specifically buffs minions I dont see the benefit of paying that much for one. Maybe thats my playstyle, and maybe I just haven't run the right lists to utilize those expensive minions.

I guess even more so at 9 stones, when I look at a model that costs that much I expect henchmen level abilities so it's tough when they are only a minion. I'm not saying they are bad models, just that if I'm gonna pay for something that expensive I prefer the protection and abilities of a henchmen as well as the ability to take upgrades.

My biggest issue with Ressers has been Nicodem. A player in our local meta has been playing him almost exclusively and to great effect. He runs the Emissary and I believe Asura Roten. Basically he makes a bunch of mindless zombies that bog down your crew and can all constantly hit you since their melee stat goes up to some ridiculous number. They don't do a ton of damage but when you get hit 6-8 times by models that even if you get rid of he can just bring them right back, it becomes very difficult to handle. Anyone have any suggestions? I've run Perdita against it and tried to go after his key pieces(Emissary and Asura) as well as the same strategy with Nellie. I havent tried going hard into Nico yet and that might be the key, but hes a smart player and doesnt make it easy to get access to his master.

Is a Witchling Thrall a good addition to Sonnia? I dont have any experience with them, but at 8 stones I hesitate adding them to any list. I had the same issue with Rougarou when playing Neverborn.

So just theoryfauxing, but what do you guys think of this? 50 SS Guild Crew Sonnia Criid + 6 Pool - Cherufe's Imprint (1) - Counterspell Aura (1) Malifaux Child (3) Dr. Grimwell (9) - Research Grant (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) - Hermanos de Armas (1) Witchling Handler (8) Witchling Stalker (5) Witchling Stalker (5) Brutal Effigy (4) (exported from CrewFaux) I know watchers are good with her, but it was between a watcher and the effigy and I thought the effigy brought more to the table.

So I hear the crazy pyro lady is one of the better masters within this faction. I've been playing Nellie for a bit and I feel I have a pretty decent handle on her and her crew building. I've tried out Perdita and I think shes good, shes very straight forward and I think with the up coming GG18 she will see a lot of play. Theres just something about hurling giant explosions around the table the appeals to me so I think Sonnia is going to be my next endeavor into the Guild faction. All this said I'm looking for people's opinions on hardcore competitive lists/models to take with Sonnia. Did her new upgrades change her a lot? Does she still play every game with Papa Loco? Anything you guys have to give me ideas would be great!

So something more like this? 50 SS Guild Crew Nellie Cochrane + 7 Pool - Delegation (1) - Misleading Headlines (1) - Guild Funds (1) The Printing Press (3) Hannah (11) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Phiona Gage (8) - Transparency (1) - Wrath of The Guild (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) Field Reporter (4) Watcher (4) (exported from CrewFaux) This leaves me with at least 2 stones to add upgrades to Frank and Hannah, or would you add another 4 stone model?

Sorry for double post here. I just found out that there is no painting requirement for the tournament which is nice because it means I can bring a few more models. So for my second Master I'm going to bring Nellie. I have a list I've been using with her regularly, and I've been struggling with it so if you guys have any suggestions... 50 SS Guild Crew Nellie Cochrane + 6 Pool - Delegation (1) - Misleading Headlines (1) - Guild Funds (1) The Printing Press (3) McTavish (11) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Phiona Gage (8) - Transparency (1) - A Debt To The Guild (1) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) - Diestro (3) Field Reporter (4) Field Reporter (4) (exported from CrewFaux)

I would totally go for Monster hunters if I had access to them but I don't. I also wish I could take the Jury.

I would if I had access to her. Been wanting to try her out in several crews actually.

So something more like this? 50 SS Guild Crew Perdita Ortega + 6 Pool - Fastest Draw in Malifaux (1) - Trick Shooting (2) Enslaved Nephilim (3) Francisco Ortega (8) - Wade In (1) Peacekeeper (11) Abuela Ortega (7) Brutal Effigy (4) Guild Hound (3) Guild Hound (3) Guild Hound (3) (exported from CrewFaux)

So it will be GG 2017, I wont know the schemes until the day of which sucks but Strats will be posted at some point this week. As far as models I'm not 100% sure what all my friend has so I'll have to talk to him. I would assume almost everything wave 3 and prior. The Guardian is actually more for Frank or the Peacekeeper.