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Hi Gadrean, Firstly I'd like to say you are doing very well for someone with less than a year of painting experience. You have a solid eye for color, the belles work beautifully. Love the skin tone you've created, I've done dead flesh before and it often appear more green as I like color, but the way you have done it makes them looks very pale and sickly, but still has color nuances as per your use of washes. I think you could make the minis better by paying a little more attention to the bases. They kind of let the rest of the minis down. Try adding some color in there, use some thinned oil washes in the cracks to create oils stains etc. Also, Bette Noir's mouth looks puckered because you have put lipstick the whole way around he mouth. To avoid this, I normally just paint the bottom lip. Keep up the good work! Would be fun to see you paint a McMourning!

Wow, copying conduit. That makes my head hurt, something is telling me surely that's not possible! haha! Can Doppleganger copy CA? Because if you can copy Zs CA it would be much easier to get it off.

I think it says living non-master model? So wouldn't affect Hoffman or Dreamer?

Wow, great i love it!!!!

AWESOME! Love the hog whisperer! Good work, I like the skin tone on the gremin.

I was under the impression that she could do it during her activation, select a model within 6" at that point and then go elsewhere and the selected model goes after. Have I been playing the incorrectly?

Doppleganger?

Yeah, that could definitely work! I am restricted by amount of models at the moment. I've only got 1 mature, 2 young and 3 tots. Also have to watch the rare 2 limit, but you could mature 2 and leave the other 2 at young ready to go. I think going this direction you would need to be more defensive and hide in the DZ, you have no hitting power until you grow, so advancing would be out of the question in my opinion. I really liked the ability to have a forest and a swamp with stuff that can move through them. It gives you some really good control.

So I played a game using this core idea for a list and it went pretty well. I played against a resser crew (Seamus) and we had shared Plant Evidence, I took announced bodyguard and announced grudge (flesh construct) I had; Lillith Primordial Magic Young Neph 2x Terror Tots Spawn Mother 2x Gupps Black Blood Shaman Insidious Madness The madness floated around out of site and planted the evidence throughout the game. The gupps/spawn mother did what I intended, but the game was short so I didn't really get to see if the grow chain could really work. However, in the first turn I matured a young and grew a tot, in the second turn grew the other tot. By then I had a spawning pool and the Gupps were coming back. I kept killing off the Gupps to give the BBS blood tokens. It all worked out pretty smooth and Lillith/mature just kicked ass. I think this growth method is really heavily reliant on high masks and won't always work out. I don't think the list is very reliable, but it did work nicely on this occasion. Having the pool and a forest helped me control the opponents movement and stop him from plating evidence in my half as I had a really easily defended location. Had to call the game due to time, but I had 2 evidence markers, he had one. I had both my schemes and he had neither.

That's a bit rough. I think Bashammer is more interested in experimenting with alternative ideas. This list isn't designed to be a big smashy force, but one that play all sorts of silly buggers, transpositions, multiple forests. I think it could work well in some encounters where controlling the enemy's movement is a priority. I do think the lack of significant models could be something to look at though.

No, I haven't tried it yet, but I have a game on the weekend. I think I'll give it a go depending on strategy/schemes.

What are your thoughts on the potential of using a Spawn Mother in a grow list? I think the Spawn Mother could work really well by creating a pond and using the blood counters from the Gupps to grow while their corpse counters can be put back into the pool for more Gupps at the end of the turn. It can all be done from the deployment zone and basically provide a renewable source of models to kill for blood. The list could look something like this; Neverborn Crew - 35 - Scrap Lilith, Mother of Monsters -- 5 Pool Black Blood Shaman [6ss] Gupps [0ss] Gupps [3ss] Silurid [5ss] Spawn Mother [8ss] Terror Tot Nephilim [3ss] Terror Tot Nephilim [3ss] Young Nephilim [6ss]

Oh sweet! Thanks very much I'm thinking Jack Daw could be fairly useful against Pandora in that case.

Does Pandora's Emotional Trauma count as magical and therefore hurt Jack Daw?

I like to summon wicked dolls with Z and teleport them to Collodi. With his puppet show aura, they loose slow, so can make a couple actions once they get there.