katadder

I agree, it got me to paint 2 crews that otherwise may have sat half done for years

Think I have faced a pandora crew in every tourney I have been to so far, my solution is usually apply raspy.

aah missed that bit, teach me to read better, thanks

not that it effects me because my crews are fully painted but adding in painting to TPs isnt great as some people dont have the time to paint with life commitments and this is their one chance to get out for some gaming so already starting off disadvantaged isnt a great start to the day.

easier to seperate it off and have some sort of best painted award (which I wont win as although fully painted i'm not a great painter).

also when I asked you this I got:

Fully painted crews for this one yes.

seems a bit confusing to say crews need to be painted with a minimum of 3 colours then say painted crews will get 1TP, wont all crews get 1TP then?

just my 2 pence

got a tourney this weekend with the collect the bounty strat in there.

reading it, it says the active player scores when a model is killed or sacrifice, so can you score off your own models?

this makes crazy things like myranda scoring 3 bounty points for her side when she changes and Levi scoring 4 bounty points for his side when he does his usual thing.

means a levi crew really shouldnt lose at this strat

It's also really bizarre to measure all distances from top down perspective, only charge in straight lines, and to hop over towers, but no to be able to jump onto them.

 

It's an abstraction, not realism. Realism arguments don't count.

oh I know, I wasnt arguing against it because I know thats how it works but it is odd that you cant stab somebody in the foot because hes too far away from your foot.

its really bizarre that if fighting from higher he gets to punch horizontally but if hes slightly smaller then he effectively counts as swinging from his feet. I know I could certainly reach someone on a 6 foot high high wall with my hands but not with my feet.

arcanist beasts only can work well and its how I used to play. do love me some silurids now though and probably a rogue necromancy soon

miskaki get good use out of hers to recharge things with 1" melee that have walked into melee with her. often a good thing for repositions, have used it to complete entourage before

it would be extremely powerful if played as you said as you lose a model for 2 turns out of 5 effectively (its how we played it originally too). 
still fairly powerful though as can protect the terrifying model from attacks and makes them burn card to test (and cheat)

wouldnt bother with shang, never seen much use for him tbh as he cant keep up to heal (plus hurts himself to do it), although rush of magic is nice

disguise was awesome when I had her, oiran and ronin. no pig charges for you cheaty gremlin

i have mostly ran her as an outcast. often bringing Yamaziko and oiran just for WP benefits then top up with outcast stuff. been quite successful so far.

plus as outcast she gets access to survivalist which is always worth a point for Misaki for me

is it fully painted and based required for this one?

the problem comes from sonnia and samael shooting you from out of sight, but if they have already done their stuff then use kaeris and firestarter to pump up the burning to heal all the damage handed to you by sonnias crew

kaeris can actually help your crew heal from the burning. you just have to increase the burning on them if she has shot them after setting them on fire.

Around summoners like somer and ulix the slowness doesnt matter as the blob doesnt go anywhere so a 4" move and heal plenty of grems/pigs within a radius for free is fine to keep up with all the newly summoned stuff that needs healing before it goes off and kills things.

having faced somers gunline numerous times where the haulers are hidden behind a swarm of gremlins hurting themselves isnt bad as they are back to fresh almost before you do anything other than take out some low SS model that somer replaces quite easily.

its not even looking at on paper, its actually playing them. ulix had 3 warpigs summoned that took less damage (due to lenny, including less damage on the summoning) then healed back to full due to 2 slop haulers. then those warpigs got to head off and charge things due to pig charge. then once the sow was killed the warpigs got a shot in the rear too for multiple charges per turn. shot in the rear isnt even an activation so things were then chain activating as well

mostly it looks ok, its just the destined thing where every gremlin on the board gets something, whether thats healed, or places a scheme marker or something.

they also seem to lack balance for almost built in fast on so many models (reckless or pig charges). yes they have downsides where they hurt themselves but this is all overcome by a slop hauler or 2.

Only played 3 tourneys so far but outcast masters I have played against are the Viks and Hamelin. also havent seen levi at any of them.

Also I play Levi (occasionally) and have yet to use a non-faction model in his crews, although my outcast misaki does better.

Main faction for me to use is arcanists, and have never used a mech rider or even metal gamin, my average rank at tourneys so far (over a small period) is 5, with highest being 2nd and lowest being 8th. raspy is generally my goto master and even when the mech rider comes in plastic it wont be added to her crew.

Belles obviously I have never been that fussed about, have my high WP misaki crew, or raspy/ironsides who can remove all their suits when being targeted. yes they are annoying but wouldnt say broken as at best they are a support model.

My worst things to see so far are definitely gremlins:

Ulix with shot in the rear on the sow will see that sow go through all your cheap road bumps in one turn. He also managed to summon 3 warpigs over the course of the game, quite easily before throwing massive hurt onto something tougher and thats before or after it has fully activated itself.

Add in the worst model from gremlins - the slop hauler, that thing needs some real tone down. easy blasts, easy healing in a bubble that he doesnt even have to cast and he has reckless to move and do his healing. removing reckless is the only thing it needs though i think.

Gremlins are definitely going to be a problem faction in the future (especially once their emmisary comes out with his destined ability, how that got through untouched I dont know), I think its fairly obvious they didnt get enough testing as they have some really sick combos having played them alot.

which is why never to take Ramos when opponent declares arcanist also, just in case

it does seem odd really that 2 scary things can both scare each other. wouldnt be a bad thing for things causing terror to be immune to terror (but not always other horror duels) but thats the way the rules are written.

if you want to use all the undead then get Levi

did run last week:

Kaeris

rail golem

3 fire gamin

6 ice gamin

guess I am running without a firestarter then

hopefully the firestarter will eventually be released as a seperate model as dont want to buy that whole crewbox just for him, especially as if thats the 2e box complete it has no gunsmiths. already have a metal box I am happy with