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going to be a tough days gaming

nobody uses metal gamin anymore, its all about the song of ice and fire gamin

although an amusing option, declare guild then make up your force of things like killjoy, hannah, bishop, johan - so not a very guildy force

well people often pay for an upgrade for levi for buying other stuff, same thing here with mercs and it may do more than just allow you more mercs without the tax

not too long for the book to come out to see how much healing her crew can get to her though  

she is a massively different style of play for nvb and is one of my favourite masters, probably even tempting me to put in a gencon order this year for a 1st time ever (although weak pound, expensive delivery costs and customs taxes are offputting)

well ok min damage 3 is still a moderate damage from levi (which is the average I get from levi) with a possible 5 and more if you kill stuff to have corpse markers to remove.

also as a levi player I have rarely used the half your wounds trigger as levis best targets even pre-cuddle were low level things to get aboms out of.

also as the game goes on you will have more options for where to attack from. 

i honestly think this will be levi levels of damage to the ressurs

really, you are getting a levi equivalent and not interested?

can get min damage 4 (which is levis max damage) from 18" away (6" past levi) that litany of the fallen upgrade says cannot be reduced by what it says there? thats better than pre-cuddle levi ranged damage as you can get above his max from even further away (which means you are far more protected so dont need to die and return) and even choose df or wp, also says you can start with a corpse candle on the enemy side of the board so dont even have to get a target there

this is a combat master for ressers

I tend to use him in my kaeris and mei feng crews.

he's good at going through armour, he can add to the fire, he can get your guys out of melee

general useful for guard the stash or turf war type scenarios where you get crowds.

5 hours ago, hydranixx said:

I'm also really interested in the totem. It looks very odd, in a really awesome way. Perhaps, given the chaotic, weird nature of its aethetics, it's card could focus on meddling enemy models capabilities; perhaps it could:

- Swap a model's stats for a time; a cast action that gives a condition that makes your opponent's model use its Df stat for all Wp duels and its Wp stat for all Df duels until the end of turn/it's next activation. 
- An 3-6"? aura that makes all enemy models that do not have Insignificant, gain Insignificant while within aura range. All models that naturally have Insignificant on their cards, lose Insignificant while within aura range.
- Influence cover somehow, with an action that lasts until he next activates, degrading/upgrading nearby severe/hard cover to soft cover, or vice versa. 

which one do you think is the totem?

gencon is going to be so expensive. 

I think Lilith has the best deck manipulation.

she has rush of magic (draw extra card, discard one), then take primordial magic for an additional rush of magic so you are drawing 8 and discarding 2. then take wings of darkness upgrade so that when you spend a stone to draw and discard you get to draw 3. 

this gives you sight on 11 cards which is probably one of the best in the game for start of turn manipulation

1 hour ago, chryspainthemum said:

Yep. And? Where is it stated that every model be perfectly viable in every pool?

nobody has said that, however you shouldnt give your opponents points for playing your master how he is supposed to be played as per levi/dreamer without your opponent actually having to even do anything

11 hours ago, AverageBoss said:

Neutralize might give your opponent an east 2 points against Leveticus.

Make Them Suffer gives them a guaranteed 3 points against The Crossroads Seven.

Yan Lo is pretty bad at scheme marker and location based objectives.

Assassinate is probably not worth the time and effort with or against Collette.

Its just a simple fact that not all models are good in all missions. This is why you build your crews after.

As for the Cache, even post cuddle, I think he is strong enough to justify Cache 1 along with the likes of Lynch and Hammy. As I stated before, his hiring abilities alone are completely bonkers and every undead and construct model in the game going forward has to take Levi (and by extension every other non-master Outcast, and cross faction constructs and undead) into account.

make them suffer (or hunting party) is no points against crossroads 7 unless you can get to the pukeworm they hide in a back corner for just this purpose of denying it.

difference between all the ones you listed and neutralise the leader when playing Levi/Dreamer is that for everything else your opponent has to do stuff to score, for this your opponent scores by you playing your master the way he was designed to be played and they dont even have to flip a card to score things.

25 minutes ago, tomjoad said:

I feel like if you see a Master that can teleport almost anywhere on the board every turn and the only thing you can think to do with him is "kill the biggest thing," that's on you and your creativity. Killing stuff is pretty awesome and valuable, but it's silly to say that free placement effects with near unlimited range don't have a wide variety of potential applications.

this does require someone to get there 1st usually so hardly unlimited range, whether thats something to teleport to, or a waif/anchor combo.

this generally means there is already somebody there who can do the schemey things allowing levi to concentrate on what levi does, which is (attempt to) kill stuff

well there goes my reason to paint levi  

true, the more games the merrier  

2 minutes ago, Mutter said:

Yes, and I did horrible, horrible things to people in melee. With Survivalist, I frequently had two attacks at and one at . Frequently, I didn't even need my third (or fourth, in case of Oathkeeper) AP because everything I could reach was dead.

 

I don't understand why people keep arguing like the Channel cuddle only effects shooting?

Probably because unless you are basically giving Levi away and not summoning a waif Levis melee threat range is 6" one of the shortest in the game

if you want to use levi as a melee master against me I would look forward to playing you

8 minutes ago, Myyrä said:

So what you are trying to communicate is that Levi wasn't Cuddled enough, because his damage wasn't significant even before the change?

no, I am saying he didnt need a cuddle, certainly not like this.

most peoples complaints were his ability to bring the best models from other factions, but as explained, wyrd didnt want to invalidate peoples collections so this was never going to be hit. so basically took a heavy cuddle hammer to things that didnt really need changing and then throw in -1 cache for good measure.

its like the metal gamin cuddle (a pointless model now), it seems when wyrd cuddle something they really go to town on it.

3 minutes ago, trikk said:

He had 8 Severe with a ton of options for bonus flips. Thats higher than Lady Justice Severe.

and a 1 weak if you havent the cards in hand to cheat. thats if you put him into melee which with walk 4 charge 5 isnt highly likely.

Lady J has effectively a 4/5/7 that can get as high as 6/7/9 for the sort of resources you are also spending on levi.

Levi is melee has a 1/3/8, which is nice if you have the severe in hand or flip one but Lady J is more reliable in combat for overall damage and also for actual hitting.

more the fact we know how to beat him (and the rat engine)

and yes I know papa in box isnt free, but its something you often see with sonnia crews.

levi's thing was his consistency/reliability, his damage track wasnt high but it was consistent. now he doesnt even have that

2/3/4 is not obnoxious or even good, even when ignoring stuff when you consider gremlin masters with ranged 4/6/8 (very easy to have every turn), or von schill with 3/4/5 or the many other masters that massively outdamage Levi.

people ignored his damage track because he provided consistency. and ignored the  because he could get around it (other masters have built in  or no ). 2/3/4 has never been a massive damage track. as a raspy player and a sonnia player those 2 will now blow Levi away (especially if he waits to finish things off)

it was consistent but low damage. 2/3/4 is not great for a master. yes it ignores defensive tech but what if your opponent doesnt have any?
probably have to move, so 1 focus'd attack and 1 normal. so thats if both hit probably 6 damage (assuming you have severe in hand, my levi often only gets the 3 damage). wow the killy master of malifaux

ramos has the same damage track but no pistol (perhaps they should have removed the pistol symbol from levi). sonnia can get a CA9 attack with + (papa in box) and from the outcasts von schill can probably do better with his 3/4/5 (or alyce as well) ignoring hard to wound and Jack Daw now consistently outdamages Levi (no pistol, damage track plus cursed upgrades), most peoples complaints were about Levis hiring pool. yes his damage was consistent but not exactly high (especially for what is now a 1 cache caster)

I appreciate Wyrd explaining the whys behind this, however does this mean everytime the US "meta" whines about something enough a model gets screwed?  

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#59 - its me, should be Steve Wilson for when you are setting up so it goes to rankings right (and I can get a nice low score )

just waiting for ticket link now as got the approval