Caamora Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 This came up the other night. I used my Cherub to take over the Guild Austringer and the only puppet adjacent to a friendly puppet was the Cherub touching the Asutringer... soooo.. could the rip caused by the Austringer be applied to itself as long as it was not a rip that would kill it? After reading the 'friendly' puppet definition I think the Austringer is now frienldy since I am controlling it and I have no valid targets for his ability as I have no friendly puppets adjacent to any enemy puppets.. but a second opinion would be nice.. just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Sadly the cherub isn't actually friendly. Friendly: "Any puppet selected for your toy box, and which isn't being controlled by an opponent." The austringer was not selected for your toy box, and so is not friendly to your cherub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caamora Posted November 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 So if the Austringer is not friendly to my crew since he was not from my toybox, but he is friendly with his original crew from his toybox then he could attack any puppet in his crew that was adjacent to a friendly puppet of his crew thus attacking his own team.. worded poorly but sounds corrrect.. yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) Well, the "not being controlled by an opponent" bit is in there as well. So, if a player who didn't select a puppet for his toy box gains control of it, it considers everything an enemy. Edited December 15, 2011 by Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caamora Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Ok so I am still on the fence with this one as the definition of 'control' states 'effects may allow you to temporarily control an enemy puppet'.. so actually no allegiance is changing he is still an enemy to me and friendly to his crew and since the Austringer targets a 'puppet adjacent to ANY friendly puppet' I believe he may attack his team... sounds almost like a legal discussion.. haha.. anyway thats how I see it after some legalize analysis.. would love to see agree or disagree posts just for my gaming partners sanity.. hahaha... The ATTACK action does denote an adjacent enemy puppet but the Austringer card seems to override that IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Ok so I am still on the fence with this one as the definition of 'control' states 'effects may allow you to temporarily control an enemy puppet'.. so actually no allegiance is changing he is still an enemy to me and friendly to his crew and since the Austringer targets a 'puppet adjacent to ANY friendly puppet' I believe he may attack his team... sounds almost like a legal discussion.. haha.. anyway thats how I see it after some legalize analysis.. would love to see agree or disagree posts just for my gaming partners sanity.. hahaha... The ATTACK action does denote an adjacent enemy puppet but the Austringer card seems to override that IMO Yes, the austringer could use its ability to attack friendly puppets. But while being controlled by an opponent, it has no friendly puppets. Yes, some effects allow you to control enemy puppets. But while a player which did not select it for their toy box is controlling it, it considers all other puppets enemies. But more opinions are always welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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