Going to use "power" here to refer to talents/abilities/spells that affect AP
Where I'm currently boggled is in this general acceptance of "Specific AP granting powers are optional"
this creates a problem,
Flesh Construct's Dumb is listed before actions on the card, in the Abilities section and Dumb is not considered optional (from what I've been told outside the forums)
Logic : Dumb is an abilities, abilities are not optional unless they say so.
The Manaquin has (-1) Slow as an Action
SLOW is an AP granting power. (Negative AP, but it's listed in the same section as other AP granting powers)
but, actions are optional
so, why would anyone take this action?
then we could get into the argument that "Slow as an effect from a spell is not optional because it is an effect"
(Since we've established in my quest for clarity on what an effect is that some Talents/Actions are effects...
but,
if that is true,
then when Justice gives Melee Expert to a model, they MUST use it as well.
now, further,
page 12, indicates that Fast, and Action Modifiers are Abilities, just listed under the Actions section for ease of reference,
it also says these abilities are Always Active unless otherwise indicated.
then it goes to say that
Quote:
Actions: Any Specific Actions a model can perform in addition to the general Actions outlined on p.33....
CAN... not MUST. so, sure, beneficial actions are optional...
but then we're right back to Slow (one of these "Action"/"Abilities")
so we've established
There are Abilities that are Actions, they are listed in the Actions section of the card.
Abilities are Always on, but those that are Actions can be ignored.
Fast and Slow are two of these special Action/Abilities
What "Common Sense" to all the forum veterans (not necessarily new players joining) tells us is
"Every Ability/Action that is a BONUS AP is optional, but any PENALTY is mandatory."
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Mr_Smigs
ok, going to group a couple threads together since they basically come down to the same question:
http://www.wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24932
http://www.wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24933
http://www.wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24935
Going to use "power" here to refer to talents/abilities/spells that affect AP
Where I'm currently boggled is in this general acceptance of "Specific AP granting powers are optional"
this creates a problem,
Flesh Construct's Dumb is listed before actions on the card, in the Abilities section and Dumb is not considered optional (from what I've been told outside the forums)
Logic : Dumb is an abilities, abilities are not optional unless they say so.
The Manaquin has (-1) Slow as an Action
SLOW is an AP granting power. (Negative AP, but it's listed in the same section as other AP granting powers)
but, actions are optional
so, why would anyone take this action?
then we could get into the argument that "Slow as an effect from a spell is not optional because it is an effect"
(Since we've established in my quest for clarity on what an effect is that some Talents/Actions are effects...
but,
if that is true,
then when Justice gives Melee Expert to a model, they MUST use it as well.
now, further,
page 12, indicates that Fast, and Action Modifiers are Abilities, just listed under the Actions section for ease of reference,
it also says these abilities are Always Active unless otherwise indicated.
then it goes to say that
Quote:
Actions: Any Specific Actions a model can perform in addition to the general Actions outlined on p.33....
CAN... not MUST. so, sure, beneficial actions are optional...
but then we're right back to Slow (one of these "Action"/"Abilities")
so we've established
There are Abilities that are Actions, they are listed in the Actions section of the card.
Abilities are Always on, but those that are Actions can be ignored.
Fast and Slow are two of these special Action/Abilities
What "Common Sense" to all the forum veterans (not necessarily new players joining) tells us is
"Every Ability/Action that is a BONUS AP is optional, but any PENALTY is mandatory."
but where is that covered in the rules/errata?
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