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13 hours ago, Ogid said:

Cojo works well in claim jump, but there are match ups where Marcus can't try to contest the center and that marks him even as a bigger objective that he already is.

Yes true. He has been ripped to shreds in several games of mine. Most often when trying to claim the center. He is an ape after all, no turtle so his fragility is justified. More so since he also ripped enemy models apart with ease. But focus +5 first turn is now gone...

I think claim jump will be left aside more often and more mobility and marker based schemes will become more popular to me. 
therefor I love his purple side. Adze, wotw, groot and spider duo will be more useful  now, I think. 

Exactly what I wanted to hear. 

When my opponent declares a charge upon Alan Reid who has boring conversation aktive, when exactly does boring conversation activate?

27 minutes ago, Adran said:

I go to the threads in the vassel section and the organisers have a link in their Sig or starting posts to the data in some kind of database. I haven't really worked how to use it well, but I can at least get win percentage and games played for each event. I don't think it's that useful as data to judge power level on, but it can at least show what others are having success with. 

Oh I was thinking about getting help and support from more experienced and successful players to increase my play with Lucius and Marcus... thx. 

36 minutes ago, Adran said:

Dreamer was the 5 th most successful neverborn master last month. Removing dreamer probably ups their results...

Really? Which rank was Lucius? Which Marcus? Or: where can I get these infos?

Maybe we get some nice toys in the NVB starter. Still believe in Wyrd. 
 

 I am one of the NVB newbies (started Malifaux in M3E with arcanists and 1 year later got into NVB). In casual games NVB still are my beloved even though it is a way uphill. 

On 2/28/2021 at 2:48 AM, DonQOT said:

Agree with this 100%. Jedza was the new master I've spent the most time learning and playing. I lost all my games until I finally grokked how they work. Then my performance has varied more by how well my opponent understood the crew.

I think overall it will settle into a strong but midrange crew with lots of intricacies to keep things interesting and clever but pinned around one mechanic to encourage good counterplay. Which is great from where I am standing as Jedza is one of my absolute favorites now and think she's taken her place as my new primary (sorry McCabe, you broke my heart losing your Guild status).

Thx. Reminds me of the time I started playing Lucius. 
could you please elaborate on the „how they worked“? I love the lamplighter and moorwrath models but looking at the statcsrds and rules I don’t get the gain from them compaired to strong henchmen and enforcers...

1 hour ago, Ogid said:

Breakthrough and Outflank are among his better schemes and Claim Jump might be doable

Definitely, absolutely and totally agreed...!!! Cats, adze, whisps and others are fast enough to get into enemy deployment and via leap/ambush can easily drop 2 markers each round. 
Claim jump is cojos beloved. Rude sight language for the win. 

1 hour ago, Nagi21 said:

 

You get 2 heals with a non-built in trigger for a single action on two different models.  Candy offers more options and the same healing unless you don't have a mask for one stone more.  I expect some early attempts to make Serena work followed by a lot of Candy play

I think serena will still be quite good in nightmare because it still is a free action that heals 2 models (if mask) and then there is this new healing trigger with 1“+ max 8“ + 3“ Range... 

dunno if she will be played in other keywords that often. Depends on the possible healing/condition removal of the keyword and on the opponent. 

6 hours ago, Ogid said:

I'm honestly a bit surprised a change as big as the focused one happened without an edition change and with no adjustements... definitelly picking a faction and not cherripicking masters is the way to go... it's much easier to adjust to things like this.

I guess that wyrd did look upon „the other side“ where the „condition cancel  each other out“ thing is common and considered well. So they got their experience with that. I must say I really like this change and am looking forward to seeing the results. Luckily they did not wait for M4e

6 hours ago, Ogid said:

Yep, these changes make those 2 models better, but the Focused+2 limit is a bit hit to Cojo and he still has a ton of weaknesses... we'll see. Maybe after the Focuslypse Marcus is a bit more playable.

Maybe I will try leaving cojo at home once in a while. Would miss the toss to get Marcus up the board first turn, but 10ss was always a huge price... dunno 🤷🏻‍♀️ but I like the idea of having adze + wotw or 2x wotw... if only you could use more than 2 camouflage.

The only model I usually stack focus upon is cojo... focus +4 ain’t rare to him...

I‘m looking forward into playing more adze/WotW due to the changes to distracted. With camouflage they seem extremely annoying now. 

2 hours ago, SEV said:

Titania is the master with the highest win% in the vassal WS.

Euripides is play with a lot of success by some (mysterious) people...

Zoraida is a powerhouse and with the Bokor left untouched and the drip in power level to other top masters I think she'll be even better! 

Nekima and Dora can be competitive...

So except if you're solely a Lucius/Marcus player (and even than, the new gg is good for them) we should be fine!

Deep breath... and go slaughter some stuff (especially guild stuff), it will help 😁

I play Lucius and Hinamatsu main. Ohhh and Marcus... 😂

but even though I think gg2 will be a lot of fun!!!

4 minutes ago, SEV said:

That's sound like a weird plan... AP daydream are amazing and make Dreamer run smoothly... They're left untouched by this nerf, so why denying yourself one of the big advantages of this keyword?

Because stiched and insidious were my go to summon. Now with the changes to summoned models I feel like summon daydreams and hiring stiched / madness is wise. 
 

edit: or hiring spider duo as go to schemers. 

I think I might be leaving the daydream at home and try summoning em. Insignificant models that can’t interact with strategy markers...? Who cares? So I might be leaving AP at Home as well...

My opponents hardly attacked colette anyway, maybe now - without build in trigger- she will be able use her defense trigger at all. 
 

i really look forward to play performers in keyword, handing out distracted like candy, use shockwaves to counter blasphemous rituals and hopefully exploit the doves to an really annoying extend. 

Mhhh interesting topic. I tend to think versatile models are (too) strong but as a NVB player I also know that without serena I often struggle because her healing and condition removal is essential. 
I like strong synergies in keyword like in sandeep (who I also play) and I get frustrated by keywords lacking a lot like Lucius... 

my wish is that wyrd buffs keywords and makes taking versatiles a niche option against certain opponents. 
then -after that- I would be fine with increased tax and wouldn’t be hit too much for including vasilisa and dolls into Lucius for example. I still don’t understand how wyrd can do Dreamer and Lucius or Marcus and not see the huge difference. Same goes for every faction imho

Just now, Maniacal_cackle said:

Philip and the Nanny has boring conversation, and you can combine it with Scarlet Temptation to get a minus flip on the WP duels.

So if Ressers can get it, don't see why Guild can't!

I see. Well guild also has it with Alan Reid having boring conversation and the witnesses having distraction. I want to buff the investigators since they are rarely taken. So in fact we would have 3 sources of boring conversation then and the witnesses+investigators combo would be pretty. 

34 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Ressers get this combo, so there is precedence!

🤷🏻‍♀️ What exactly do you mean by that? 

4 hours ago, Roadhouse said:

Bayou vs NVB hands down goes to NVB. This is from several nested synergies.

Voodoo scrap gets turned into a Stitched by Vasilisa(requires 9Mask)

Vasilisa can make a BBS grow on T1

Black Blood, from BBS, takes Bokors to the next level

Bokors with Fast and tons of Glowy draw lots of cards (>=9Mask being the key).

With the above youre pulsing Focus twice, replacing for a 4ss gain, and summoning a 6ss, likely undercosted, model and that doesn't cover what else Vasi or the Bokor do the rest of the game. Z allows for an amazing engine in NVB that doesn't have a parallel in Bayou

Well if I‘m not mistaken you need 3x  of wich one has to be 9(+) because you need the blood sacrifice trigger twice, right? But yes this synergies are awesome and you get a huge benefit from this. Bokor are nuts. 

I wish for the Investigator to get boring conversation as well as Alan Reid. Maybe with a stat of 5 instead of 7. then Investigators and false witnesses would make an awesome team!!! 

Next one: grasping tentacles 🦑 exploitation 

the emissarys grasping tentacles can probably be a very good way to slow several masters/crew in certain encounters down massively. In a Lucius crew there are several ways to copy the tentacles and make a whole board of grasping 🦑... channeling, agent and Doppel can mimic or just like you the aura and be moved forward by several other models. Therefore I think it might be cool to massively delay opponent’s movement..?? 
tentacles with stealth is a good way to get around enemy beaters and force shooting towards you (changelibgs and agent) maybe drop the doppelgänger for whatever...? Maybe 3 wicked doll  

New Lucius Mattheson Crew (Neverborn)
Size: 50 - Pool: 5
Leader:
  Lucius Mattheson
Totem(s):
  The Scribe
Hires:
  Mysterious Emissary
  Agent 46
  Doppleganger
  Changeling
  Changeling 2
  Guild Lawyer
  Changeling 3
 

9 hours ago, ooshawn said:

Alan Reid is nice, he just doesn't do anything "strong" in my view. He does a bunch of really cool "alright" stuff. But for me he doesn't come together in a way that I'm like, oh this will be useful in like 6+out of 10 games. 

Ok. Then you haven’t had your moments with him:

Diversion aura is very useful against melee crews. Boring conversation paired with „no cheating“ or „discard a card for cheating“ auras is strong imo. And then „slow on a stick with 1/3/4 plus coordinated attack trigger“ 🥰. Ideal to use on extremely tough models stripping them of 1 action if you don’t manage to kill it. 
 

im not saying he is extremely awesome super strong. But he is awesome super fun to play with. And he does his work to me regularly 

9 hours ago, ooshawn said:

I've found that if you move false witnesses up and use their no cheating aura, they can be very hard to kill with lucius hands (in melee).

You know they also can’t cheat, right?