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@SunTsu I love playing themed list so i totaly agree (took ulix and collodi as my first masters for a reason).

Forbidding things is already in the game with Lazarus in a way.

A fun road for viks could also be to have some 'resilient sisters' upgrade. Something like a counterpart to fury/mark which would give sisters defensive abilities like armor instead of raw damages.
You can imagine new little sisters to go with (around 5ss, low damage tracks, can't profite from fury but with resilience or scheming capability).

The goal would be to have 2 different paths :

-the killy one with heavy hitting slingshoted viks (fury, mark and so on)

-the sister gang one ( viks + vanessa + some little sisters +student) playing with the (2) actions, shared healing , some armor or so. With the viks being more support/combo models (with still 3min damages which is already nice).

2 hours ago, Zebo said:

Yes, I know my opponent had luck and play bad (not cheat), so not 2 Trapper each turn. 

 

But 1 Trapper or Librarian each turn easily still sound pretty tough to me. 

Pigapult vs trapper is sh5 vs df5. min damage 3 vs armor 1 so usually 2 and trapper has 6 wd.

So yeah the pigapult can kill one trapper a turn if it lands every hit and pay 3ss each turn.

Against 2 trapper that would be 14ss(8+6) killing 2*7ss in 2 turns with 6/6 hits and 6ss worth of model sacrified.

That doesn't sound tough at all for me.

For me the problem with the viks are the min 5 damages and the mark. This is so killy that you just have to play it. And the best way to do so is slingshots. And when it's working it's just to NPE for the opponent especially when he doesn't even have the crew to deny it. I play against SirRocket and either i play a crew that can do something (collodi) and there is a game or i play a crew that can't do it well ( ulix with gracie+pigapult was one example) and its over turn2. I never brought my lynch crew against him because there is always the 30-50% chance that he will bring the viks and the game would be over before it even started.

If i had to play the viks i would personally love to use the (2) actions. I find them very fun and interesting with as much sister as possible with the different upgrades to give 'sister' to friendly models. Soaring dragon seems fun also. Unfortunately this playstyle is not very effective compared to classical slingshot.

Switch some power from direct murdering (fury, mark) to 'sister synergy' could be a way to make viks funnier for everyone.

23 minutes ago, Fetid Strumpet said:

So?

Unless Wyrd’s policy has changed the only official rulings for those who care about such things are those that are actually printed in the GG Document or in the FAQ. Until that happens there is no official way to work this. 

I know there is no 'official' answer in gg document or faq but we still need a way to rule this. Otherwise you just can't play ours with tanuki because the game will be blocked.

For me rules it as 2*5=10ss makes more sense and at least one post from a wyrd guy said so in the beta. It's not 'good' but it's the only thing we've got until some faq adress this so i will personally rules it in my games.

Just now, Adran said:

Multi focus if needed, high cards may be enough anyway thanks to the Pigapults low Df. 

And you may not know what you're facing, but the trick works pretty well against a lot of support models. And some times you just gamble with your selection and hope. 

And now hans is a pretty solid sniper choice. A lot of people are considering taking him instead of trapper now.

But i don't think you should take pigapult into consideration when making your list since you will almost never play against it in gg2018 (at least until july errata maybe or in 'casual' lists.

The last two times i played te pigapult it died turn 1. First game from a vik of blood whirldwind coming from 15649" away. Second game to a tara-propeled bishop.

In your game you were unlucky on the severe ( severe on - flip is just luck). Then your opponent cheated (if pigapult could cheat on stuffedpiglet bacon load that would change things a lot). And it seems that frank and ophelia did a lot of work also. I can understand why you feel this about the pigapult but i can assure you it s pretty weak. Remember each turn of shooting cost 3ss at least or you need some way to refill ammo (somer, ulix, lenny, taxidermist).

The main reason people are taking the pigapult now is for the launch ability. In scheme like take prisoner, public demo or similar.

You don't see it often because it's almost pure garbage. I just took an example of 14ss of almost fighting only (no schemer) model with potential 3 activations.

Ashes is now niche in gg2018 but i think it's for good. I have a lot of outcast mates in my local meta (like everyone i play against as at least one outcast master) and i saw the same models so many times (unless in specific themed list like hamelin/daw) that it was boring ( trappers everygame, sue 80%, some rotations in big beaters but not so much)

1 hour ago, trikk said:

He can`t get Shed Blood so 1/3rd of your crew can`t score strategy in Public Execution.

He can`t get Gather Intel which means everybody can take Gather Intel from him and Core.

He still can kill ennemy model with shed blood and gather intel. Ashes is still a powerfull beater. So yeah he can't do strats and scheme very well but he is not really supposed to anyway. He is supposed to kill and be very very hard to kill which is still true. His synergy with some master are unchanged, he can still be used for activation control.

I don't think people should be so sad for him. For 14ss you also have the pigapult+2 stuffed piglets that can't strat and scheme either (and even more since they cant even interact, claim jump, and so on) and are just nowhere near in fighting power. I take this example because you can get 3 activations out of it as for ashes.

I also remember some official say Big Jake count as 10ss in a beta post so it should be the same for tanukis.

6 minutes ago, daniello_s said:

Personally I'm just waiting for Reckless and Bayou Two Cards to be seriously cuddled or even removed during next errata as we have heard already many negative opinions about these abilities. Also i would expect some more models and one upgrade to be seriously trimmed. Yes, I'm looking at Wong and your minions and Magical friends 

 

Don't say things like that out loud. They may hear you and got some ideas.

14 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

Also, without knowing how the developer handles version numbers, just going from 3.0 to 3.2 doesn't necessarily mean that two updates were released to end users. 

I have to update my app manualy so i can 'count' the update. Anyway we got our answer (which i expected to be -1ss at 99.9%) so now we can stop wondering.

2 hours ago, Swinerider said:

You've got mech porkchop listed as a -1, just downloaded the app and it has it listed as cost 5 which would be -2. Which is correct?

-1. There is a post in rules subforum where Aaron already answered that.

1 hour ago, Reservoir Dog said:

What about Zoraida? She's both neverborn and gremlin and could always obey the pigapult if that's what you enjoy using?

I dont play her in neverborn because i already have collodi and they are quite close. But yeah i should maybe give her a try in gremlins. I dont see the point to obey the pigapult for one shot with short range and no blast though.

Slops haulers and gracie were already in my purchase list indeed. Wasn't sure abour the sow but if he work outside of ulix i should take it also.

Does Mah, Wong and/or Zipp have special interest/synergy with the pigapult?

What is a typical Mah list looking like and how do you play her? She bounces everywhere to hit things in melee and that's it? How does she help her crew. I confess i have almost no knowldege on Mah.

Wong i see more. you blast things up at range, even your stuff to get extra bug ap. And you have 2 swine cursed + a glowy beater (don't very like mancha roja but whiskey golem seems nice now especially if i take spark).

Same thing as Mah for Zipp. The only things i heard about him was the iron skeeter taxi for burt and frank list.

Hi everyone.
 I'm a neverborn player mainly (collodi, titania and lynch) but i also play Ulix. I always wanted to expand my gremlin collection and take other gremlin master (only ulix is kinda problematic especially when my opponent know i only play him).

Now that we got the errata and gg2018 (which shakes think a bit for gremlins) i can know ask you advice for new model and masters.

I currently own :

ulix box

taxidermist+stuffed piglet box

piglets box

a pigapult

(the starter set)

My goal is to take like 2 new master to have a 3 master roster that could do any combination of strats and schemes (and with no too close master so i play them all, no point in having 3 if 1 is played once every 10-20games in niche games).

If possible i would like to have many models i can play with 2+ of theses masters (for example illuminated and stitched in my neverborn collection).

As for my personal taste i looooove the pigapult so anyway to use it well is a good point (i would take wong immediatly if the pigapult could be glowy). I'm very interested in survivors sparks and mechanized porkchop for the durability with the new ss cost drop. I'm not interested in the iron skeeter taxi thing. i also don't very like playing the 'main' faction masters (i don't wanna play lilith) so not very attracted to somer. In wave 5 i find big brain and gremlin crier attractive but don't know how to use them well (only in the ulix aionus crier alphastrike thing).

At first look (looking at the cards mainly) i would be more into ophelia and wong but i don't know how they are really played and if ophelia-wong-ulix is a good roster (don't wong and ophelia crossover a little in strats/schemes?). I also considering to buy a killjoy for shenanigans with stuffed+pigapult or wild boars.

So what do you advice me to take and how are non-ulix master playstyle nowaday?

PS: i play a lot of vassal games so i don't have any problem to test some model to see if they fit me.

The app got 2 upgrade (for me at least its 3.2 now) and still no change on the pork cost (which is literally just one number to change in the database). i do think Aaron gave us the good ss cost change but this is getting more and more suspicious.

Just now, edopersichetti said:

What? Bunrakus +1SS? Surely this is a typo? They were already an underwhelming model, now they become shelf material? Surely they meant -1SS...

they got -1. What i said is bunraku are now 5 which is only 1 more than wicked dolls. its very good for bunraku i just wonder why wicked doll got no change. now you can upgrade your wicked doll to a bunraku for just 1ss

Just now, FinalForm said:

I'm interested if Sidir considered to be too broken for his ss?
Why he is still 9ss, while Franc, Jury, Judge, Sam and Phiona are 8ss.
 

Maybe he got forgoten like a lot of models.

The wicked dolls for example. Bunrakus are now only 1ss more and they got no up at all. Who would take them now? (if anyone took them before)

6 minutes ago, Sergrum said:

I think the meta of tank enforcers/hench is not good for gremlins and will hurt them in the long run. 

totaly agree. Unfortunatly gg2018 is more focused on enf/hench than minions IMHO and lot of activation is not so powerfull anymore. Not a really good year for gremlins i think. Or at least i don't see how it could be better than 2017.

Just now, trikk said:

I said "against "

 

If you play gremlin and don't play pigapult you re doing it wrong.

If you don't play gremlin you re also doing it wrong.

In both case your argument is invalid ;p

1 minute ago, trikk said:

Pigapult is so unfun to play against I don`t really miss it. You take it to lob Gremlins now.

2SS activations shouldn`t exist in a non-master specific form and with a higher count than 2

 

I have so much fun playing shooting pigapult. maybe its because i was a warhammer battle dwarf player in my youth (6-7th edition).

You can up them as ammo with no impact on the activation. Lets have an ability on pigapult saying : if you hire this model stuffed piglets only cost 1-2ss but can't activate' and thats it.

Just now, -Loki- said:

Stuffed Piglets got their errata 6 months ago.

they did. but because they were cheap activations.

Pigapult with stuffed piglets got nerfed hard by collateral damage so it would have been nice to get some love for this synergy. now stuffed piglets are just too expensive as ammo.

Not to mention that gg2018 made out activation less powerfull than before so

I hoped some up for the shooting pigapult+stuffed piglets so dissapointed for that. i also hoped for other pigs to play with my ulix and this delivered even if the emissary being a pig would have been very very nice.

The mechanized pork is only 5ss in the app so i hope soooo much he really got -2 cost but it must be a mistake. A 50mm based pig for 5ss is one of ulix wet dreams.