TeddyBear

2 hours ago, retnab said:

Why does Ikiryo need more damage? Would you prefer she traded Irreducible for it?

It blows my mind how often people act like Vengeance isn't the strongest passive damage effect in the game.

i don't  know if you've read everything i wrote above, her crew clearly needs more damages. it's just one of my proposals to increase crew damages.

It seems too much to you that her damages are irreducible? take a look to Levi, or Molly disturbing story or Joss with Hoffman.. (and i think these models are good as they are)

i also motivated why Vengeance imo is strong (but for sure not the strongest passive ability in game) it does not inhibit any opponent to attack your models, it can bother you if you always flip minimum damage. 

i'll give you an example what happened in one of my games: Ikiryo was at range of Archie, clearly in one activation of Archie,  she was died. We're guessing that Archie make two attacks on her both with minimum of 3. Ikiryo would taken 4 damages and Archie 2 from vengeance. This could be the annoying case to face vangeance models.  But this does not happen often, because Ikiryo have df 3, and it's very easy to not do minimal damages on her.. between cheating to defend her, (or for defend  other models, as i write above, we have, wp 2 francis, 7 healt goryo, df 4 kirai), between keep at least one card for a good summoned model, between keep at least one card for use at least on one model "protected urami" 6 cards are not enough. And remind ourselves that at best case scenario (always min damages on a vangeance) Ikirio will remain at 2 healt point.. if my oppo is not a novice, he will give her the final blow asap.

After i still have to ( specify during kirai activation) summoning her with an 11 of crow. not really immediate..

Please, if you can, try her crew and if you do not have the same problem, i'm very willing to accept advices.

ooh finally someone who says how things are! and then why kirai losts her hanged? were they impossible to balance even with her? Because let's just say it, her crew miss the beaters! and yes, is it true that Vangeance + Incorporeal is very strong because reduce one dmg and give one dmg to opponents, but this thing annoys the opponent if he should flipping always min damages, (remote possibility, since her models apart drowned, do not have htw) are sufficient one max dmg and one medium = one activation  (ah 2/3/5 track, let's no talk of models with min 3 or more..) for remove a summoned Goryo (our best beater) before its activation and after we spent an 11 of crow.

Datsue is imo the worst Henchman in resser now.  Just checking out the quantity of text on its cards we will notice that she has less, than other.

Let's do some comparison:

Melee 9 ss Datsue stat 7 with 2/3/4   <  9 ss Valedictorian stat 7 with 2/4/5,    8 ss  Sebastian stat 7 with 2/3/5 with poison incorporating which often is equivalent to 3/4/6,  8ss Mortimer  stat 6 with 2/3/5,  9 ss Toshiro stat 6 with 2/4/5,  8ss Asura stat 5+ with 2/3/5. 

Now there is also 9 ss Vincent with stat 5 2/3/4 damage and staggered and 9 ss Manos stat 6 with 2/3/4, are very similar with datsue for cost and melee dmgs but with great differences:

Vincent is part of Revenants crew, which generally had access to more damages dealers that Urami: Reva, Lampad, Draugr eTc. 

Manos is part of Retainers  and already Toshiro that is better than Datsue.

I would have much more to write, but i use too much time for translate correctly. I also tried to add in her crew Grave Golem (for reckoning) dot add her more damages output, but, as much as i like this model, it had very little synergy with the team.

Edit. my proposals (where possible; even only a couple would be enough..)

. increase damages and df of datsue ( yes it is a support piece, but it is also the only henchman of kirai, and a piece that you play always).

. increase damages of Ikiryo, to avoid problems, could put the rule that if kirai is played with another master she will lost kirai soul's or even she does  not summoning ikiryo.

. make it easier for crew give adversary. need a tn, need a suit (tomes) attacks stats almost always start from 5. i think that's a little too..

. return to her crew some beaters that she lost.. or create a new themed "beater piece" for her crew.

. they currently have: goryo 7 healt points,  francis wp 2, ikiryo df 3, kirai df 4 (i don't want to discuss about other little summonable models like gaki, onryo..) to have this values, someone must have hated her crew.. 

. always about francis: give maybe a bonus action to this poor guy?

. increase movement or healing aura of seishin, or reduce their tn of guide spirits. (even is seishin is quite perfect now, this suggestion could be taken in consideration, if others were not..)

On 2/13/2019 at 9:12 PM, Reign said:

At the moment, I'm a little hard pressed to find a role for Francis.

On 2/13/2019 at 9:12 PM, Reign said:

Anyone else feeling this way? 

At the moment i had 3 new games, after closed beta with Kirai respectively vs:

Molly

Molly/seamus

Mah tucket

And i have hard time to find a role for her enrire crew... not only Francis, Datsue for 9 ss the worst ress. henchman. 

I am conviced that her crew still need something more... or better choose her  just like second master

for other players  who still complain about Colette.. please wait these two weeks.. just to see how new stunned behaves with her before asking a rework..

1 hour ago, HipsterWhale said:

Using specific examples teddybear why do you feel zoraida is overrated?

 

So far I've played my games very poorly against zavros and have been able to warp his plans and come out ahead every game 

probably i mispelled. i didn't want understimate your experience, instead i liked your battle report. It's just i had a totally different experience.. i definitely don't think she's op, i'm not saying that she is weak, but i am convinced that she still miss something.. good heavens it is from closed beta she continues to be nerfed! Silurid are too strong?? really? a model with 6 healt? Most of time i use them my oppo killed them.. if you blow on them, silurids implode miserably! then keep in mind Strategy and Schemes that you drawn, maybe benefit her a little bit? A final result of 6-5 for Zoraida, with Plant Explosives seems to me honest after all.

Poor Zoraida.. one fo most overrated masters in this edition..

however much i disagree about Zoraida, i'm totally agree about Yan Lo, that needs an extra look, also as resser

2 minutes ago, Sweet Tooth said:

Hanno cambiato di nuovo le condizioni dopo aver chiesto il feedback ..

Thank you, i missed that

We will see.. with new injured more than +2 = irriducible dmg) how will work a master with 10 hp

Better to wait and try her withnew conditions

Im(humble)o, based just on my game experiences actually

1 Albus

2 Jack

3 Molly

4 Reva/Seamus

5 Mcm/Yan

6 Kirai

And by the way stll exist models that ignore dmgs reductions...😜

18 minutes ago, Barmution said:

It's a general design choice, probably to not narrow down design space for future models. You have to balance a new model across every faction that can pick it up due to those kind of rules and I can see why they don't want that.

is true, i didn't think of that.. it's just that i get the feeling that she still miss something..

I still don't understand why remove her the option to hire a living model

This evening, if i can i will try colette for first time vs seamus.

Right now, imo "a cause for celebration"  needs at least a TN..

Actually i'm fine with this, i hope they don't change that too.

(And i'm not playing Colette)

59 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

When they combine and replace themselves with a Duet it comes in at full health

But only if both coryphee are at full health? No?

50 minutes ago, Fetid Strumpet said:

Kinda of a moot point since he lost swagger and is really different now.

Frankly i did not know this.. 

Edit. anyway i still rest of my opinion, since i'm a seamus player.. then rather than give him 7 to his flintlock, wouldn't be better if he gets a new trigger on flintlock that put him in b.c. of target?

28 minutes ago, NotSoEmpty said:

So, nevertheless, you are more a player for Leveticus (he is one of my fav master too tho). Don't get me wrong and don’t think that I’m rude or somehow trying to offend, but you really have a problem that Seamus managed kill minion with 3 Df ignoring Hard to Wound?

Yes, i had a problem to manage Seamus with focus and his Copycat, and you think in first turn after all my activations.. what a weird eh???

24 minutes ago, NotSoEmpty said:

Flipping and cheating, this is far away from the "chance".

An henchman with df 6 that choose to use his soulstones, and flip the same card.. that's not the norm, it doesn't always happen i'd say..

And even this happen? You'll make him 4 dmgs and he will have consumed also his ss.. 

24 minutes ago, NotSoEmpty said:

And you are trying to insult there

Me? Are you questioning that i ever play with Seamus, when i wrote above that is one of the Master that i've tested more? just be quiet

2 minutes ago, NotSoEmpty said:

... You walk, gain focus, shoot at model with 6 Df stat. You flip 13 and opponent flip 13, you have two negative on damage flip and one positive from Focus and you cant cheat this. If you shoot at 5 Df Henchman or Master (or ss-user) - you flip 13, he flips 13 and use 1 ss for negative on damage flip, again, you cant cheat this.

Flipping the same card, is a chance. That's not the norm. So?? This is an extreme example.

5 minutes ago, NotSoEmpty said:

 Have you really ever played for him?

we have different views but just not try to be funny, otherwise i report you immediately, ok?

31 minutes ago, NotSoEmpty said:

Interesting statements. I would like the facts, test against which master, which roster was with Seamus? It is doubtful that the person who, I quote: "Seamus is the master that i've tested more during beta" and who saying "He is in a good place right now" generally played against rosters with 6 Df stat on all models. Now the game has a huge number of ways to make a large number of negative flips not only on damage flips, but even on attack flip. 7 stat on Flintlock gives a posibility get only one negative flip (if this is not Henchman, Master or another ss-user). 7 stat to Summoners for a SIMPLE duel?... Doubtful things you write, sir.

Doubtful things, sure like 7 on Seamus Flintock. Explain to me how 7 on an attack action of 4/6/8 gives a possibility to ONLY ONE negative flip on non-ss-user models. With walk that grants Focus and one upgrade that gives possibility to choose the best from three cards!??? Are you joking?

edit. With combination of activations of Seamus, and copycat killer (with focus and cards) i've lost one desolation engine wrong positioned..a model of 10 ss..

52 minutes ago, Fetid Strumpet said:

Only disagreeing with your last sentence.

I don’t think he NEEDS stat 7 on the gun. I think it can be argued in good faith that most to all once a turn abilities should be stat 7. Often those abilities are a major aspect of that masters card and it is a major issue in master functionality if those abilities fail during the turn. 

It is an issue that needs calibration with other abilities though.

What benefit would bring to game? I don't understand, We should give to all models with "once a turn" abilities a min of 7? also to summoners maybe? why not put also 7 to bonus actions then?

1 hour ago, 50 SS Enforcer said:

Judging from how many agree and disagree voters I got earlier, I take it some people want a stat 7 gun and others are terrified at the thought......but shouldn't that be the point? He is the scariest thing in existence in the lore, shouldn't the player playing against Seamus be afraid? Afraid to get too far from the shadows? Afraid to leave your concealing? The game rules alone give every single model in the game the defensive combatants against his gun, why are you so afraid? Currently every single stat 6 defense model in the game can hug shadows be at +1 defense from them and wait for his SINGLE TURN ABILITY and use a SINGLE 13 to just laugh at it. I could understand if it was standard use ability with that damage spread. But it is not. 

I don't think he needs sh7.. really

With one walk he can have focus

And with upgrade at the start of his activation, he can choose better cards..

Seamus is the master that i've tested more during beta.

He is in a good place right now.

I didn't read all replies of this topic,

But i have played against Kaeris last night, i was using Wong.

Imo Kaeris now is in a good place, she don't need more buff. 

In case of make her crew easier to play, i'm agree. But actually she have a very strong crew. She can easily control the battlefield with her markers but her pieces also hit hard.

2 hours ago, Barbagianni said:

Collodi's creator is of course a nice old man named Pinocchio.☺️

Or maybe could be Geppetto the creator of Collodi..as a second evil son.. 🤨?!!

I'm not a fan of this new "comics/cartoon style".. i wonder if in the future there will be also a version of "adult dreamer" and after "old dreamer"..

rather, i'm very happy that they already introducing new models, this make me hopes for a speedy-release of m3e! 

Thank you Mason, for your excellent work, and i wish you best for future. 💪

@Kyle thank you for made official this thing. Might not be the best time, but, i would like asking you greater clarification (where possible) about Wyrd's future, i'm worried at this point.