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Who wants a chance to win $300+ in prizes, and not even have to bring your own minis?

Only one week to go until The Other Side demo league kicks off. 2PM on Saturday afternoon at Coliseum of Comics in Kissimee. That's right The Other Side demo league is officially scheduled. I have painted and flocked 8 separate armies, totaling 180 minis, for you to come in and play with.

Everyone can come to try out a brand new minis game, and have a chance to walk away with their own allegiance box, Coliseum store credit, and/or limited edition models.

The league will be achievement based, and encourage things like trying out the different factions, or sitting down with me to try building your own custom list. So no need worry too much about being super skilled with a game nobody has played yet.

The league will be held on the following dates at 2PM:
8/24
8/31
9/7
9/14
9/21
9/28

There will be a one time entrance fee of $10 which will get you into the whole league.

For those who want to take a look at the rules right now, Wyrd has been kind enough to provide all the game and model rules on their website free of charge.
https://www.wyrd-games.net/the-other-side-rules

For those that want to see the models I have painted, I have been posting pictures for a few months now and have compiled them on Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/joshuabass5/?hl=en
 

For now, take a look at the achievement sheet we will be using for the event.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask and I will get back with you as I am able.

I hope to see you there!

THE OTHER SIDE DEMO LEAGUE ACHIEVEMENT SHEE1.docx

That is correct, the Tide pool/Portal/Poison/Mine markers only come in the allegiance boxes.

And I really need far more Tide pools than is given.

You can actually see the module in action on these very forums:
 

There was indeed one for backers during the beta process. And it was mentioned there would be a public release eventually. Of course we are also still waiting on the TOS app.

On the subject of Abyssinia, I think the card draw was on paper meant to fuel discards for "The Long Game" and prototype actions. Those were in turn were meant to balance out Abyssinia being the elite army in the game. It is certainly a tough balancing point.

The hot water fix has done nothing for me. Over time (even if it takes a month or two), the models lean again until they faceplant. Models like the Alpha Crawler and Walker simply have too much upper body weight for the soft flimsy legs to support them. I have already had to shock my Alpha, Walker, Cutter, and Basotho unit 3 times. At this point I have given up on that being a viable option. I have drilled a hole into my Walker and have run a clear peg from its lower frame to the base. Will probably end up doing the same to the Cutter and Cav unit. For the Alpha, I think I am going to have to cut the legs open and reinforce them with steel rods.

They were going to be even higher at MSRP, but they lowered those prices to match the kickstarter prices last minute (in a few instances the new prices are actually less than the backer "discount" price). Probably would have been quite a few more complaints had they stuck with the old advertised prices.

I have all four factions and primarily play against Cult. I love the game as a whole but have some complaints about some specific models. Every Alpha Crawler I have seen is a sloppy mess as far as how its been built. Due to the soft nature of the minis and weight distribution, some models just sag over time and there is nothing that can be done about it. You can straighten them out with hot/cold water trick, but after awhile the weight and soft material are just going to make them face plant over and over. Worst offender on this front are the Alpha Crawler, both cav units, the Walker, and the Cutter.

Biggest complaint has to be on the advertisement and promotional front. Besides word of mouth from backers and some first party stuff from Wyrd (both of which are most likely to only be seen by those who are already Wyrd consumers), I have seen nothing. I have even heard that Beasts of War inquired about getting some boxes so they could go over the game on their channel, and Wyrd never got back with them. Wyrd really needs to hook up with some of the big 3rd party channels, word of mouth is only going to get them so far.

Also my lgs can't get any TOS stuff in. They have told me they have been attempting to contact Wyrd directly on the issue for well over a month and have heard nothing back.

They are unique, otherwise there would be zero point to "place back into deck" effects.

Same thing can happen with anything with push effects. You can do an 8" push on a target with the Stormsiren to a tidepool 1/2" away.

As its a pulse fireteams will simply be subject to a many pushes as their unit fails checks against.

Yes, this is allowed.

They shipped the stuff during the holiday shipping rush. That is a very busy time and distributors usually get bogged down. Things were even worse this year however with companies rushing to get as much product on the shelves as possible before the new round of tariffs hit. As far as major distributors are concerned (especially during the holiday season), retailers take priority over individuals in most cases, regardless of how long the individuals have been waiting.

I am not going to fault Wyrd on the shipping situation itself.

I am going to fault them on its resolution, several EU backers being charged customs fees, and the MSRP switch however.

On 12/24/2018 at 1:56 AM, mgsanna said:

Hello, received a lone package from Wyrd (king empire) but till today not My pledge nor a tracking Number update

A little bit pricey 175€ for 9 miniatures

🤭😭

Marco

Torino Italy 

That would be the Field Intelligence Corp I am guessing?

There was a problem with them at shipping time, so they withheld them from the early pledge shipments. Pledge shipments are being handled 3rd party, but the replacement FIC were shipped direct from Wyrd.

But yes, this whole shipping situation, and the complete and total lack of proper advertisement for the game, are pretty embarrassing. And the fact that they seem to be leaving it to the backers to solve both issues themselves is baffling. And this just compounds with the issues of the unannounced MSRP change and the perception they tried to sneak that by.

Love every bit of the game I have played. But this KS has left a bad taste in my mouth.

The game is indeed out at retail, though the distribution centers (primarily in Europe) have completely dropped the ball on getting backers their stuff, despite Wyrd sending them backer items a month before the retail items.

The release schedule on the Wyrd website is incorrect. The first wave of product just hit store shelves within the past couple weeks. Also note that Wyrd waits a month or two after release of product before they put it on their own webstore. This is to give LGSs a head start on sales.

On 12/18/2018 at 1:23 PM, spooky_squirrel said:

This can be a double-edged sword. If they push hard like this and something goes wrong with the shipping, it'll be bad. Right now it's kickstarter/backerkit supporters who have models, so it's not yet too late to do some marketing prior to major drops. Conventions are a great place to do a marketing push as well, especially with fully painted demo models and a stock of available-for-sale units.

I know at my FLGS we're excited about the game and trying to squeeze in as many games as we can. There's some competition with other games (including playtesting), but the cleanliness of play and pacing of the game has a strong appeal.

Actually, the game is already at retail despite not all backers having them in hand atm. You need to ideally promote your products before they hit retail to give those items a sales boost. If you don't that can make a product languish on the shelves. And if that happens, game stores will simply not order/stock any more of the product.

Look at all the promotion FFG, PP, and GW do for their games. They send out free kits and books to big names that people look to for minis news. They pump out constant detailed articles and even some video publications.

Wyrd at this point seems like they are piling all that on the backers.

They honestly should have advertised and promoted the game heavily through 3rd parties before any of it hit store shelves. That ship has sailed though.

I hope they sell some of the markers separate. I need MANY more Tide Pools. 3 is nowhere near enough.

Each target requires a separate duel. So for each target in range both players will flip/modify/declare triggers/etc, before moving on to the next target.

12 minutes ago, Harkevich said:

That seems like a pretty small fish to throw a nerd rage fit over. The question should be: Is the product a good value for the price? Asking Wyrd to increase prices to make you feel better just seems childish. 

I don't think anyone is asking them to raise prices, nor should it be dismissed as simple nerd rage. They feel they were lied to about prices, just to get their money and have it held up for 2 years. Some people dropped well over a grand on add ons thinking they were saving a couple hundred as the KS showed they were. If they were going to pay full price anyways, they would have held onto the money for other uses, and bought it at launch to support their LGS, or for a discount elsewhere.

I personally am not dropping anything, but am just going to avoid buying any add ons from future Wyrd Kickstarters (if I pledge at all). I will simply operate under the assumption the prices are overinflated, and will be available at retail for the backer price or less.

But its Wyrds complete silence on the issue that bothers me more than anything and what has done the most damage to my local community.

31 minutes ago, Harkevich said:

Looking over at the Malifaux and Warhammer 40k product lines I feel like I've gotten a great deal. Especially for the starter

That is not really what the OP is talking about though. They feel that Wyrd was misleading when they showcased you were getting add ons at a roughly 15% discount off MSRP as a backer, when in fact you wound up paying full (and in some cases more than) MSRP.

They are not alone in this sentiment either, several players around here have decided to depart from Wyrd games altogether over this. And they perceive Wyrds silence on the issue as just hoping nobody noticed.

Keep in mind this only applied specifically for add ons. The core pledge was still a good deal.

1 hour ago, Burnin' Coal said:

@brian291 sorry to hear that and please update as you learn more....part of my order was missing (field intelligence corps) - I wrote to Wyrd but so far have heard nothing back

Wyrd sent out a notification for this on the KS a month or two ago. FIC were missing from packages that were sent early due to a problem with them and will be sent separately later. The problem was corrected sometime during the shipping process so packages shipped afterwards include them.

This has been known for a while and has been discussed on Facebook, the Discord channel, and these forums. It is also most certainly not a mistake and Wyrds own upcoming page also lists the lower MSRP prices. Wyrd never said anything about it though.

Nothing here in Florida yet. Just hope it arrives before I head to Mississippi next week.

2 hours ago, Merchant said:

Wut? an LGS has mark up. Sometimes like my LGS over MSRP, and only preordering gets you down to msrp.

That is actually very abnormal, and I have never heard of a shop doing that. The most I have ever seen a shop sell minis for is flat MSRP. Many sell with some sort or discount of customer loyalty program. Cool Stuff for example starts at a flat 10% MSRP on all items, then they up that % permanently based on customer purchase records. Miniature Market sells for 15% of MSRP base, and can get cheaper from there with sales.

But yes, Wyrd did make everything on the KS appear as though it were a deal. It just turnes out nothing was a deal outside the core pledges.

1 hour ago, -Loki- said:

Backing a Kickstarter is to do just this. It’s been mutated into a cheap retail storefront by places like CMON, but backing a project on Kickstarter is expressly to get a project funded.

You take a gamble on anything you get through it being worth your money or not.

Ive said this before, but I bought one of everything for Hordes and a friend did the same with Abyssinia. I even threw in a second Eel and a few more Egg Clutches.

I knew I’d be able to get it cheaper from my FLGS but a. I’m betting it won’t all be available up front (there’s 13 releases per army, that’s a years worth of releases with a 2 release opening month), and b. I wanted to help fund as much as I could.

Everyone knew it would be cheaper after launch, as retail discounts are very common. What was not known was that the MSRP itself would be lowered to match the KS price (which was very clearly shown off as being less than MSRP), and for Wyrd to remain silent on the issue. Some people actually paid MORE for some items on the KS than what the new MSRP came out to. My players around here are pretty upset, and its not looking good locally.

I myself am simply going to abstain from any future Wyrd KS, assuming the prices listed are simply over inflated and will be the same or cheaper later. That is if people keep playing Wyrd minis around here. Seriously, Wyrd needs to at least acknowledge it as a thing that has happened and address the backers. Of course with "several updates over the next few days" followed by a week of silence and a more of the same update at the end of that, my expectations are low.