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Thanks Serigala for the heads up on the local bus service, much appreciated.

I vote for option 2! Her celebrity has very little effect otherwise, especially when first 2 turns there isnt usually much melee going on in the game anyway. so very little use out of Celebrity if she can be attacked by any spell.

Necromorph, Hamelin is Fast, could you not whack the Doves first and then get 1 hit on Coryphee in Melee after doves dead? or if you have ss left for Hamelin defence/prevent Duet disengaging or atleast forcing ss burning, you could just send in the rats to kill the doves so Duet has no mobile ss to use. Even if Colette makes another one that turn, it has to be in range and that is only 1 ss for defence. Even after it has activated and has Use Soulstones, bear in mind it has been moving and good chance it is away from Doves...so hit it with attack as noted above, and your on 3 point advantage and he most likely does not have + flip on ss, so your much more likely to pull it off. Its what I have to be wary of when playing Magic and his Hamelin. keeping Duet either well out of the way (not easy after it has been made insig) and keeping Doves nearby both before and after activation if I cant get well away from Hamelin before he activates/at the end of the turn. As great as Duet's are, they dont have the damage output to deal with masters, especially if Masters have ss on them. They are asking to be caught out and killed if they move into melee with Master, especially melee/gunfighter ones with high damage output!

It doesn't happen often ey

Yes and bragging rights, goes without saying! lol :star:

Goodle Maps and Atlas to name just a couple. Just google images for map of the world and I bet UK is at the centre of it

This game is about having fun. It is the biggest appeal to me that this game is fun. If a mechanic makes something not fun at all, maybe the consideration should be, not about balancing (as we all know this is not possible to perfectly balance things), but to make that particular thing fun again. I dont personally have a huge issue with hamelin as he stands, although his Bully is very frustrating to play against, but I have a very mobile and hard to deal with crew myself. Against crews who's dynamic is very straight forward and more static, I can see how the fun can be sapped out of the game for them. This game should put fun first and foremost imho. If Bully is honestly an all round agreed mechanic that noone, even Hamelin Players, enjoys playing, them maybe an adjustment is called for, in line with one of the examples suggested (Wp duels to target him being my preferred option) I also agree with magic that, in line with the fluff, Constructs and Gremlins should not suffer the Bully effect, or maybe an alternative approach is to give them a positive flip for the Wp duel if thats the way it goes)...

This would be a lot of work to organise, although if you had one person as a coordinator, and a lead in each country/state to take over organising of venues etc, this could be a very successful event overall. Maybe run it on the bases of prize for each winning team in each country for the qualifiers, then 1 overall prize for the worlds winning team! so you get something for winning in your country/state and something even better for the world. Gotta have real trophies involved for that. Preferrably ones to keep as too awkward to try and hand over a cup trophy year to year by country to country. Something like this would no doubt get support from Wyrd as this is getting the game out to the world. Obviously, UK being the centre of the world (map) the final should be played here (a bit of a tease there maybe :laughing:)

I wouldnt mind Magic's suggestion, it is inline with my first thoughts on giving them one last reminder before penalty is applied. End of the day the tournament is about playing and having fun, final place is a bonus really, although i'm sure we would all like the prestige of winning

My preference would be B rather than C, merely because I am still relatively new to the game and dont have the model collection to just chop and change Masters, and im sure i'm not the only one. B seems the fairest as it is a minimal VP deduction which keeps the tournament on fairly even terms and only penalises those late declarers in the case of ties. My opinion anyway. p.s. me, Ant and ukrocky arent the only ones to be at a disbenefit if you decide to pair un declared masters together....

I have to agree that making the Bully ability either an action to use when activating, or making it a permanent Aura or making it a Wp duel to target him, would make it still challenging to target him but atleast give you an option to do so If one of the above were to happen, I wouldnt argue too hard for Masters to be immune to being made insignificant, but if Bully wasnt modified in anyway, then Masters should not be targettable by any of Hamelin's Insignificant causing effects. All well and good if your Guild, but for other's it cuddles your master too much, esp if he gets the -2wp on you first, then you are at a disadvantage to resist being made insignificant at which point it's currently game over for your master. Not like he cant just beat u to a pulp in melee anyway with 1 card cheatable damage flip 0/3/9!!

:ditto: Totally the case, +1 for making it harder for yourself and still completing it. 0 VP for failing it. So it is still all to play for. Bear in mind when you announce, you have to announce all of the scheme, e.g. who your grudge is on, not just the fact you are taking Grudge. This makes some schems really difficult if announced, like Frame for Murder, but does make the game more interesting. e.g. frame for murder on your most expensive model....you may end up getting no VP for it, but you can shove your best model in your masters face, and if he actually took kill protege, well that puts you on even score whether your model dies or not...leaves just 1 scheme each and strategy to try and win on.... Food for thought. Back on topic, as an Arcanist player, not much to deal with Hamelin, although have had some more ideas...December Acolyte for Devour on rats to stop them being summoned when killed....?

Also, Hamlin can Summon a stolen, then sacrifice it to put your Wp down by 2 before hitting you with one of his Insig attacks, then it would be your Wp 4 + flip with +ss flip, v Hamelin's 7 stat with ss, so if he cheats in a 12/13 for the attack you are hard pushed to beat him, and he can move up with his Fast to get in range to hit you with that. I would have to say Necromorph with no high cards in his hands was always playing at a big disadvantage, high cards to cheat in damage and cast make a BIG difference. And remember Irresistible Lure can draw in your doves, away from Coryphee before he goes in for the kill against it, if he can get the inititiative next turn and you have no does nearby, Duet is most likely dead. But yeah orcestral Crescendo is great way of getting round being Insig, I used that approach first time I got hit buy insig, just gotta make sure you are away from hamelin, and using Crescendo, unless you get the 4" push from the trigger, will very much slow the Duet down and leave it vulnerable to counter next turn...so gotta be careful with that option.

Really?! In Japanese lingo too?! I don't know if that is impressive or worring lol Your in Wales I see, you taking part in the Cardiff tournament at the end of this month? @Wyrd crew, how about a puppet of the Red Joker?! Malifaux Avatar Puppet!!....

I would recommend posting on here and PM'ing them and remind them they havent submitted their Masters, advise last chance to do sy bo x day otherwise they will be subject to points deduction, but then im a nice fair guy, ...(It's always good to know what the consequence is before your hit with it, so you can do something to avoid the penalty)otherwise would probably disagree with me and just vote points deductions Their is no disbenefit/penalty for them to just play another player with unknown Master as both players will be in the same boat for their first game

And yeah you did still win mate, wouldnt take that away, but then I wasnt trying too hard to win , just to see if I could compete for the core strategy whilst maintaining minimaldamage...and you did kill your model to prevent me getting my protege for the draw. Neither of us got our schemes which was fair lol. Although you having Creepy Structure and us playing Shared Reconoitor may have given you an advantage!! hehehe

That Duet should have been well and trule dead turn 2! If the duet is left in range of Hamelin, betwen Insig, can only attack Hamelin and Severe damage in melee from Hamelin, and Irresistable Lure, the Duet should have been toast.

It's alright, i've only played against Chompy once, in the Brum tourny...although I have some tactics in mind to try and deal with his movement and approach to the game mechanics he employs... Wont get to test it out though until I play at Cardiff..

I have to say, i'd rather play against Hamelin, atleast there are only a couple of models to prioritise and kill, and his crew dont really stop you doing your own thing. Pandora cuddles you and causes your stuff to just die with little you can do about it. That I have seen anyway, yet to feel that pain myself... However, I have faired well against Hamelin in all 3 games now, even with my game this evening, where it was Shared Reconnoiter,and there was a Creepy Structure in the middle of the board pumping out Soul Stones for Hamelin!! Dirty combination for him, but I still did well cos I know his game dynamic and know how to contend with him now

Ant with his Kirai to start with ey!.. Should be an intersting game to kick start the tournament! Can't wait! And Doxey with Dreamer crew ey, going for the win then I take it Mythic!..

Welcome to Malifaux! Where all of lifes problems can be solved with Soulstones!..Im sure you wil enjoy your stay this side of the Breach, but then there is no going back!...

Hamelin in Melee is dirty! ignoring positive and negative flips,then cheating up damage to severe for 9 points of damage?! Swar them with rats, Rat catcher with Armour 2 and heal up easily, can just rush Ortegas. Nix will cuddle any big hitters. The extra moves you gain from impetuous, kil all rats, summon rats and move forward again in a single turn will leave the Ortegas with little time to kill your core models! Insignifacant is only 1 approach you can use in Hamelin crew, the rest is also very effective.

Played game my Colette crew V Magic's Hamelin crew, battle report will be posted up in due course Hopefully demonstrates some tactics to utilise and positional points to consider... Magic will be posting up the report and I will add any comments to clarify a bit more what happened...from my perspective anyway

The Northern and Southern qualifier idea sounds cool, but is very reliant on having enough teams wishing to take part