graeme27uk Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I am sure I read somewhere that you can still win a duel even if you fail to meet the TN of an action... Is this correct? Surely if you miss the TN nothing happens. If so then how is it resolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lucidicide Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 If you fail to meet the TN or don't at least tie your opponent's duel total, the action fails. I believe what you're referring to is the fact that you may be winning the initial flip (duel total v duel total) without hitting the TN. In this case, your opponent needs to cheat first even though you may not end up getting the TN to cast the spell. There is some dislike about that scattered around, as you are technically "winning" the duel from a 'who cheats first' perspective, but you're failing it from a 'will this action succeed' perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 daddy4count Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I am sure I read somewhere that you can still win a duel even if you fail to meet the TN of an action... Is this correct? Surely if you miss the TN nothing happens. If so then how is it resolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CRC Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 If you beat you opponent's flip, but don't meet the TN, can your opponent use triggers that say "after this model succeeds..."? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lucidicide Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Success or failure is determined 100% by the duel outcome. During the duel are conditions of 'winning' or 'losing' based on the comparison between duel totals before cards are cheated. The person 'losing' the duel may cheat first. Then the person 'winning' the duel may cheat. Once cheating is completed, you compare two things 1) Duel total v TN (when applicable) and 2) duel total v duel total. If 1 meets the requirements and 2 is 'winning', then the duel is successful. A trigger that says "after this model succeeds" is based off this point in the duel. If you are the acting model with a TN and you don't meet the TN, you have not succeeded. Your opponent, therefore, has succeeded and could trigger an after succeeding effect. ---------- Post added at 04:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:31 PM ---------- To give exact steps: Model 1 targets Model 2 with an Action.Both players flip a card off the top of their deck and add the relevant Stat for the current duel total.Compare the current duel total of both models.Whichever model had the lower current duel total (with Model 1 winning ties) may now cheat fate, creating the final duel total.Whichever model had the higher current duel total may now cheat fate, creating the final duel total.Model 1 now checks their final duel total against any TN. If it is not right (i.e. not high enough or missing a suit), the action fails and Model 2 succeeds. If it is right or there is no TN, move on to next step.Whichever model has the lower final duel total (with Model 1 winning ties) has failed the duel. The other model has succeeded. I've left triggers and soulstone use out of the example, but the timing is spelled out fairly clearly in the rulebook for these options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I am sure I read somewhere that you can still win a duel even if you fail to meet the TN of an action...
Is this correct? Surely if you miss the TN nothing happens.
If so then how is it resolved?
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