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Gwyneth Maddox's has the ability called the Party Never ends. It reads: While within (3) inches of this model, enemy models may not remove the "Under the Influence" Conditoin Does this mean If an enemy model is within (3), the Brilliance does not end naturally? I mean, usually the brilliance says until end of turn? Or does this ability only stops the enemy action to remove (i.e. Johan) the condition?

Greg's list is like....General good stuff.list I guess? but the list is very flexible in terms of what it can do. It has a great killer (Nekima), a great tanker (Graves), jack of all trade who can do interactions (Dopp.) and a fast runner who can break into enemy half fast (Terror tot)....and Lilith's Tangle shadow is just great at contorlling the board. There are a lot of killbox set-up models (like lure example), but no one does it better than lilith, so if an enemy model is problematic, you can just tangle shadow it to bring it into lilith's house and just kill it. And sometimes, rooting an enemy big model is just as effective as killing it, so lilith can control the board that way. I certainly don't think the list is invincible. Some people did figure out how to play around it and beat it. But nonetheless it is a very optimized, strong list and frankly, I don't think Neverborn has been recived any good models that can substitute that 7 models. Despite some talk about how it is the worst 13 ss model in the game, Nekima is still the best (and efficient) beater we got and Graves is the best tank/pusher we have. I think Serena Could be a better Johan, but the time will tell

Thanks for sharing this. I guess Obey twice to move nekima then charge, then hit someone else for 3 times more does sound crazy. Maybe I will give Zorida a go soon Yeah, it is both amazing and sad that people are still playting the same list over and over again! I mean, 3 years now, people should have figure out how to exploit the weakness of such list but no...the list is just that powerful. I tried Serena Bowman(proxy) for Johan and gave Wraped Reality to Doppleganger and give The Song of Blood to Lilith for a couple of time. Doppleganger with advanced deployment and being able to be healed is cool, but I did miss Johan's attacking power and 2 more stones XD So I will defeintly try this out more often.

I played against Zoraida only once, but I wasn't really that impressed. Maybe because he didn't quite get how to utlize her new upgrade? IDK... What does she use? how does Zoraida's list look like now?

Borrowing the idea from the Arcanist and Outcasts forum, now that we had sometime to toy with the new models and upgrades I would like to start a thread about the current ranking of our masters at this point. My current ranking is 1. Lilith: I know that was a great discussion about if Collodi would be hit with the oh-so-dreadful-nerf-bat, I still think Lilith is the better choice than Colloidi. I am still playing "The Greg's list" most of time, with sometimes Serena Bowman subbing for Johan, and still feel like I can respond to any strat or Schemes Most people suspect that GG2018 will bring that Elite crews back, and Lilith would do even better as she can tangle shadow to displace opponents models and kill them one by one. I was a bit disappointed that she didn't get much boost in Wave 5, but I guess it simply shows how powerful she already is. 2. Collodi: He has so many "not-so-Neverborn-like" tricks: such as trapper + 3 changelings with effigy buffs, or Lazarus + Hannah interactions. Based on which limited upgrade to take, he can either be the AP spreading support master or the control master who can screw opponents'' game plan hard. He can even now summon to expend his crew during a game, although the cost might a bit too rich for my blood. Overall, very powerful and flexible master 3. Dreamer: Even after the Nerf, I still think that the summoning dreamer is top tier master. He can solve any problems simply by overwhelming the board with so many models. Wyrd pushed chompi dreamer by giving 2 chompi related upgrades, and there's extra shenanigans with Serena Bowman for placement tricks, but I am not sure if those are enough not to play summoning Dreamer. 4. Titania: The winner of the Wave 5. the New upgrade finally made her "the tank master" she meant to be. I personally don't play her, but played against her few times, and boy can she take hits. She excels at any holding ground type of strats (i.e. extraction, guard the stashes). Before Titania, our solution to holding ground games were to lure the opponents out of the holding position or simply try to out number them (*cough*dreamer*cough*) but, now we have an option to get inside and play some good ol' smashmouth football! 5. Pandora: The most frustrating master to play against, she is really good at controlling the pace of the game. But the problem I see is that IMHO, the Collodi controls the game better. Pandora is very unique, and her "controlling the order of activation" is indeed interesting and powerful, I would rather simply kill or kick that model out of threat range so that I don't have to worry about it at all. And the fact that 'Dora is extremely difficult master to play well makes her even more less appealing that Collodi. 6. Jakob Lynch: I think he is just simply better as Ten-Thurnder. His biggest problem is that he is a ranged dealer, whose range is short. I mean 8 inches? most models can charge 8 inches or more! Thus he needs extra help (i.e. pushes from other models) to get into the range and that another tar-pit to protect him or be engaged with opponent's models. I was hoping that he would get a new upgrade which will manipulate the decks even more, because I don't think he is manipulating the deck as well as his lore or name suggests (and that's the only selling point. Right now, his manipulating power is not as powerful as Lilith's placement shenanigans or Coolodi's control so unfortunately Lynch sits at bottom. I hope he will get more tricks in his hat in near future. 7. Lucius: I think Lucius is also better at his other faction: Guild. I heard that with Witching Thrall and Cap. Deshall's new upgrade, he is getting some love at the Guild, but we (1) do not have a minion who automatically pass horror check (2) no summoning back up from the Cap, (3) most importantly, Collodi does WAY BETTER at abusing minions than Lucius. I just don't see choosing him over other masters sadly. 8. Zoraida: Her main selling point is the obey, and even have a cool name new upgrade (POWERFUL CONTROL), but I just don't see how powerful she is. Maybe it's because I never played her well, or no one in my meta plays her seriously. But I just don't see any appealing reasons to chose her over other masters either - but I can be wrong! What do you guys think?

So we have a few models who have insta-kill trigger: i,e. Howard, Misaki, Sue...etc Usually those models allow the damaged to either discard 2 cards or 2 soul stones to survive the insta-kill. But I was just told today that since only the henchmen and masters are allowed to soulstones, Enforcers and minions would not be able to chose to discard 2 soul stones to survive. another words, if the hit model is an enforcer and you don't have two cards, he is DEAD! Which brings to my next question -> If Sun Quian makes another henchmen a peon, and SUE hits that model, would that hit model just die because peon can't use soulstone? Is soulstone restriction also applied for those kind of trigger?

I have been playing Acanists pretty extensively, and now looking for extending out of the faction and, Parker, just by the looks of him cought my attention But I am also a pretty competitive game player (and so is my venue, which hosts a tournament bi-weekly) and wondering if Parker is competitive enough. Parker has a pretty high win percentage on Logfaux, but based on what I read so far from this forum, most people play/recommend either Levi or Hamelin. That being said, is Parker good enough to compete with Levi or Hamelin? if I want to win, despite the fact that I think Parker looks way coller, should I just buy into either Levi or Hamelin? It would be great if you could share your Parker list as well Thanks for the help in advance guys PS: my venue only does one-master tourney. We have to choose one master for the entire tournament so "it depends on strat and skims" argument wouldn't fly in my veune. I am curious if Parker truly is as good as logfaux makes him look like

That's Probably why that guy only plays Guild McMourning? (he actually plays both guild and resser) Our meta is like MTG - everyone is trying to counter build others, then, someone come up with counter to that counter build...then counter-counter counter build......you get the point. It's different type of fun I think Now that I think of it, we do not have any Hoffman or Levi player. We do have a Lucius player, and he actually does pretty well. 3 Illuminated hitting 3 times each usually get there....

Well, it is our henchmen's call, and nobody in my venue has any issues lol - and I personally didnt have any issue either, because I took it as "Master is your avatar" approach as well or maybe because that's how I was taught to begin with XD It's actually more fun(?) than you think it would be, and suprisingly, I think we have pretty much all masters and no more than 2 or 3 duplicates of masters in our venue. we have about 10 - 15 ppl show up on every tourneys (we usually do bi-weekly) and for last 3 months I started to go, I havn't met anyone who plays sandeep at tourney (which was surprising, given the fact that Sandeep is regarded as one of tier 1 master). We do have like 3 liliths and 2 dreamers tho XD oh The Neverborn... It's more of my personal preference I think. Like I said earlier, I have this wired mentality to project myself into Master of the game as...well me- as my girl firned put it, I am too F-ing egotistic XD Which is why my Lituent in the Infinity is always...well Achillis

I did read your tactica- wonderful job! And frankly that was the reason why I started to reignited(?) my interest in "MR COOPER" .. Well I have a strange rule - that I only play male avatars in any games, so if I were gonna play this master, I am really "committed" (please don't call me sexist) what do you think her biggest weakness? Because where I play, we only do "one matster tournament." So we have to register which master we are gonna play for the entire tournament and most of us talk about the game intents of "masters" instead of "factions"

Thanks for the answers guys... so so if the log faux isn't as... Accurate(?) as other netdecking sites, what are the actual "op" masters? Is Sandeep "that good?" *starting to realize all the wins I had wasn't because I was a good player, but because my team was op... *sadface

Hi, I just started to play malifaux about 3 month ago.. I have played infinity forms while, and when I started, I asked who is the strongest master in arcanist and it was between sandeep and Colette. I picked Sandeep, but I think it is about time for me to expend, and was gonna go buy dark carnival... Then realized that Colette is doing not so hot according to the logfaux. is Colette still strong enough for me to buy dark carnival? Would I regret it? Is she(he?) better than Sandeep?