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I feel like the SS use from soulstone cache is focusing too much on prevention. Who wants specific suits that they can't reliably get otherwise? 

I know Angelica, given a mask, can place a scheme marker over 11" away for just a 6. Being able to do that consistently seems like it would definitely be worth it.

Anything else similar to that around?

It just needs changed to attack action most likely, unless they want you to be able to place Ice pillars through it.

36 minutes ago, KingCrow said:

The main issue with only targeting a single Pyre marker is that her Totem already does something similar (pulse to do 1 damage and burning 1).  My thought was maybe have her target Pyre Markers equal to the turn number and have the models take the duel.  With the increase of Pyre markers, it makes it a real master level ability. I also think it should target friendly models as well as most of Kaeris's crew likes to be on fire.  Make that whole "Wildfire" keyword show its indiscriminate nature.  I do like the triggers on your action tho

For the lure into pyre markers, I think targeting one at a time is fine, just need to tune ranges and tns. 

Maybe for a damaging pulse, making make it something like "all pyre markers in ~6 of Kaeris pulse x damage and burning." You still get late game scaling as there will be more pyre markers then, but you don't have to deal with turn number shenanigans.

4 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

It seems like you'd want a way to pull them into the Pyre marker.

That's what the theoretical "moths to the Flame" action does. You'd have to almost completely rework her to go that route though (which I'm honestly fine with).

Also, Kaeris treating herself as an eternal pyre marker could do some interesting things.

I actually love the idea of the a pull towards pyre markers(s). Something like:

Moths to the Flame: rg8 ca6 tn12-14, Target a pyre marker. Enemy models within ~4 must pass a tn12-14 wp dual or move their wk towards the pyre marker.

: Repeat this action.

: Adds 1-2 burning on failed dual.

An aura from Kaeris buffing the pyre markers could be cool too. Maybe markers within 6 give 2 burning instead, or the hazardous train is extended an inch from the marker. 

Even just something that pulses burning out from pyre markers could be cool. Make her a mid range board control/support-ish master and let her crew do her killing.

So reading through the new stuff, I saw that for a 6 or higher, Angelica can place a scheme marker over 11" away. 

Anyone have any experience with that, because it seems crazy powerful, though I suppose the tome requirement might temper it? If you really need it to go off I guess you can give her the upgrade that makes her able to use soulstones, might be worth it in the right scheme pool.

Thoughts?

I'm sorry, but no. The wording is "If it is still in play after suffering this damage...". It never suffered the damage, so it doesn't get the stone. I could even see an argument that even reducing one of it would make it not work, though I think that is more a product of it being an old model. Those aren't situations that would have mattered then, because there was no reason to spend a SS to get a soulstone, and Hoffman couldn't make Armor unignorable.

Any other interpretation is contrary to how any other ability that occurs after damage behaves. Reading it otherwise is just trying to manipulate the rules.

On 6/24/2018 at 5:34 PM, WWHSD said:

Execute triggers don’t get around Well Rehearsed. It is activated when a model would be killed, not when a model has taken damage equal to its wounds.

Huh, TIL. Devours do though still, since they sacrifice

20 minutes ago, cbtb11235813 said:

Almost guaranteed? Is there anything that gets around it?

Execute triggers: Howard, Asami, Misaki etc. and devours ie Wendigo. Pandora mass 1 damage ping shenanigans too maybe?

I think it would be interesting if they went all in on the support side with her. She got more with the foundry walk speed and railwalking with friends upgrade. Maybe include add a trigger to use vent steam to railwalk, whether innately or on vapormancy.

Could have something like any friendly auras from Foundry models in range of Mei Feng also extend from her. Most foundry models actually have an aura of some kind, so you could extend the bubbles that way. Or maybe something that just extend the range of foundry auras and pulses.

Maybe on a zero action, since she doesn't have anything good there. First railwalk per turn as a zero perhaps? Or something that draws cards. Because she needs some kind of damn card draw currently.

Doing all of these is probably too much, but it is an interesting direction to go with is, and could make the foundry tag matter more.

6 hours ago, Dereikt said:

Also, in the realm of absurd amounts of set-up, since they're minions, Rasputina can use december's favour to them into frozen heart minions, and then allow them to benefit from the tome trigger on the 'sub-zero' upgrade to end an attacker's turn after taking damage in melee. That's a powerful extra safeguard against a lot of the most dangerous models

Not only that, but December's Touch also gives armor 2, so you could bump up anyone's required min by 2 with that, or 4 if they're incorporeal.

1 hour ago, Fictor said:

This is my Vox Populi crew

Declared Faction: Arcanists 
Crew Name: Ramos Vox 50ss 
Leader: Ramos - Cache:(3)
   Vox Populi 1ss 
   Arcane Reservoir 2ss 
   Electric Summoning 1ss 
Malifaux Child 2ss 
The Captain 9ss 
   Patron's Blessing 1ss 
Union Steamfitter 6ss 
Slate Ridge Mauler 7ss 
   Circus Bear 0ss 
Slate Ridge Mauler 7ss 
   Circus Bear 0ss 
Lazarus 10ss 
   Imbued Energies 1ss 
 

I'm curious, why Electric Summoning? I've never really gotten much out of that one, you already want the 8+ of tomes for summoning spiders, I feel like you'll just end up being starved for them more often than not.

On that that same line, playing Ramos with only 3 SS seems pretty rough as well. I know the list isn't solely about summoning, but it's area denial and attrition, which spiders help with (plus the obvious of scheme running.) Do you not find yourself wanting more later in the game?

So I had an idea for a crew with strike marker synergy as a goal, which would maybe be good in board control scenarios ( something like guard the stash/extraction/symbols.) Let's see what kinda discussion we can can get for it.

Declared Faction: Arcanists 
Crew Name: Strike one 50ss 
Leader: Ramos - Cache:(3)
   Vox Populi 1ss 
   Arcane Reservoir 2ss 
   Leviathan Power Core 1ss 
Malifaux Child 2ss 
The Captain 9ss 
   Patron's Blessing 1ss 
   Imbued Energies 1ss 
Joss 10ss 
   Bleeding Edge Tech 1ss 
   Imbued Energies 1ss 
Union Steamfitter 6ss 
Slate Ridge Mauler 7ss 
   Circus Bear 0ss 
Mobile Toolkit 3ss 
 

The main things I was wondering about:

Leviathan power core might not be as worth it, since you're almost certainly using 1ap a turn strike markering. Could swap that out for one of his 2 SS upgrades, probably under Pressure or Arcing screen depending on how aggressive you're wanting to go and if you take Joss or not. Seize the day could be also be worth it.

Joss is great, but you can probably flex him a bit if you want, since you have the steamfitter if you really need extra scrap. Amina would be good, more pushing, and making people not attack injured models could be fun if you surround them with injured spiders. Or just double down on strike markers with lazerus.

As a side note, slate ridge mauler seems mean with steamfitter: armor 1, ItW, HtK, and 10 wds, plus possible healing. Nasty that.

He could be good if you expect some sort of bury bomb. Hitting them with the slow could make it hurt a lot less, if you can't outright kill them.

I mean, if you're not running tutelage to steal his cast, this could be a combo for any master that want's the Mages. Kaeris and Colette have plenty of marker targets to push around, and that's a lot of good Prompt targets too. Playing support style Kaeris you probably have a good amount of cards as well, and a Flying Ch 8 ain't nothing to scoff at. Ironside's can be mostly self reliant, mainly wants the steamfitter and Amina, but that would be about it after her upgrades. Probably no for Ramos/Marcus/Raspy/Mei, though he could move around Ice pillars and Strike markers.

Might want a Steamfitter in there as well for Sandeep, an Aionus that takes half damage -1 from everything and has regen sounds hilarious.

12 hours ago, Baskakov_Dmitriy said:

This was due to poor deployment and poor decisions made (failure to surround me and charge as fast as possible).

When you say charge, do you mean figuratively or as the game mechanic? Because the only one of his models that should really be charging anything is Snowstorm. Attacks have to have a symbol to be used in a charge, and you don't really want to be using those on the Acolytes or Silent Ones.

That's a low stone pool for Ramos. I might consider dropping the Electric Summoning, I've never gotten much use out of it personally, and that puts less pressure on your hand and gives you an extra SS to use. Summoning is extremely strong in smaller pool games as well, so you want to be getting those spiders out there. Buffing Howard with the toolkit and then killing it with Joss for the scrap is probably the way to go, consistent and gets you 2 scrap right off instead of 1 so you have turn 2's scrap ready as well.

Right now, it looks like you're alpha striking with Howard, which is a damn good strategy, if you know where to hit. In the lower SS games, he's also less likely to die from their counterstroke. Even less likely if you kill your target, so I think I'd maybe swap out Well Rehearsed for Imbued Energies, just to ensure that kill. Just make sure to save him till the end of your turn so they can't do much to him till the next turn.

2 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

I'm hoping that he is Ramos's Asura Rotten that can summon Mobile Toolkits out of thin air and give the Spiders a Ml6 attack with a decent damage track.

...I'll be in my bunk...

14 minutes ago, retnab said:

I wonder what Fitzsimmons is going to be like?

If it's anything like his namesake, scientist/engineer. Somebody at Wyrd is a S.H.I.E.L.D. fan

IE Firestarter is probably pretty good for it, 15in flight that you can interact after is probably pretty good. Cassandra can get that without the flight as well (as can Howard, but he probably has better things to be doing...)

Blessed can leap 7 and walk 10 + interact with IE, and has unimpeded, as can Cerberus. Myranda can taxi 12in plus her base too, but you lose IE for it, and would have to transform her turn one (not that that's exactly an issue generally)

Mech rider would be an interesting choice for it, 12in walk and 4 in push + interact with IE, also unimpeded, though this needs an 8+ of tomes turn 2. Gotta be careful not to expose her too early, but she can handle herself against schemey models. Bit expensive though.

Kudra and Ice Dancers are both quick and have butterfly jump, so don't have to worry as much about getting shot off the board before getting there.

And all of this can be supercharged by Mages/Angelica/Captain pushes.

There's probably some molemen shenanigans that I'm not thinking of cause I don't have them, and Marcus certainly has more options (silurids are good I've heard)

3 minutes ago, Stonewall78 said:

Thanks for the write up, some interesting insight there. Could you format it different in the future please, reading grey text on black is next to impossible.

I'm not sure what you're reading, all that I see is white letters on dark grey, with a couple red and green things for differentiating crews.

I think I remember seeing something like strategy before, using firestarter as a battery for the spellcasters when he's not scheming. Is that what you were doing, or was he mostly just for the scheme running?

And can you comment on why you use a second spellcaster instead of the effigy? He generally seems to be the first thing in most Sandeep lists I see/make, just for the shenanigans you can get from him, and how just generally useful he is for his cost.

The lack of Imbued Energies is also interesting to me, but that could be a personal preference thing.

You'd get the one extra from prompt, yeah, but it's cast from where gluttony is (+3" push). With a third person casting it you're more likely to be in range of enough models for this to have a chance of doing something.

Assuming this does work, I think Colette might be the better choice for the master, though i suppose you lose a vector to cast it from that way. The 0 action interacts would let you get more markers out, especially if you bring a mannequin along to throw it 6".

I think the more fun thing with Colette an this strategy would be just pulling one or two models completely across the board, pinging them for a couple damage each time. The main issue you'll run into here I think is the attack only has a 6" range, so something has to be pretty damn close as it is to get things started.

12 minutes ago, Rekeiji said:

Oh wow, it looks awesome. But am I ever going to be able to buy it with real money instead of Itchy and Scratchy money? 

I think the black Friday sale had some of the alts on sale, though I could be mistaken.

Or you could buy guilders from someone.