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  1. I love every model I've gotten from wyrd but I was confused on Ryle. His model is 2 heads shorter than a flesh construct. 

    Here I was expecting the Hulk and I got Captain America.

    what makes him HT 3? Does he have a periscope?

  2. Hello I could use some help, Jack daw's twist and turn ability says he can perform an action on another tormented model but the action cannot perform triggers. HOWEVER, nurses ability "take your meds" says "this action must declare a trigger.

    how does this work?

    the rules on page 28 say when any special rules contradict each other, the more  specific one of the two rules takes precedence. But these are the exact same specific special rules just  opposites.

    Answer: this question has actually been FAQ and ERRATAed and says that you may not declare the trigger.

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    First of all, sir, this thread is very difficult to follow. If you are going to answer every post by the same statement all over again, it will discourage people from trying to help you.

    I do understand why you feel that the Ability should work as you interpret it. I would love to find a rule that specifically says it doesn't, but sadly haven't found any. Which means that we will have to do this one differently.

    Let's take a look at Ophelia's (0) With My Eyes Closed! Tactical Action. It reads: "For the rest of this model's Activation, its Sh Attack Actions gain :+fate." By your logic it would mean that both the Attack Flip that Ophelia performs and the Defense Flip that the target performs gain :+fate. What would be a purpouse of such Tactical Action?

    Another common issue is Fate Modifiers and Damage Flips. Is the Damage Flip part of the Attack Action? Yes. Step 3 - Resolve Results (after Step 2 - Perform Duels). Would it gain :+fate from Ophelia's Tactical Action? No, even though it is a part of the Sh Attack Action. Rules are clear on this one.

    Damage and Wounds - The Damage Flip (Malifaux 2E, page 46): Damage flips are often the result of a duel. They do not gain any of the modifiers (Fate or otherwise) that were applied directly to the duel that might have caused the damage flip. Effects that modify the damage flip will state that they do so specifically.

    Ophelia's (1) "Rough Riders" Attack Action reads: "This Attack Action gains :+fate to the Attack Flip." And even though (0) With My Eyes Closed! doesn't specifically state it, like (1) "Rough Riders" does, only its Attack Flip benefits from :+fate.

    Thank you sir for helpin me out, I apologize for the chaos, if I ever do another thread it will be wayyy cleaner. This was my first one and I came to a consensus. A friend and I found some stuff in the rules. I have no interest in creating another thread yet until I have another question. But I have been playing malifaux for a long time and never have been stumped like that.

  4. If someone can show me somewhere in the FAQ & Errata or the rules somewhere to prove me wrong I will give you a cyber kiss.

    Page 32, Opposed Duels, paragraph 2. "In an opposed duel there is an Attacking model (the model that is acting) and a Defending model (the model that is targeted by the Attack Action).

    The rules clearly state that only the attacker is acting, so only the attacker gains any benefit from a positive flip to actions.

    EDIT: Even though a Ml or Sh action causes both the attacking and defending models to flip, the bonus from Inspiried will only ever be relevant for an attacking model since the defending model cannot claim a +flip to actions when it's not acting.

    I see where you coming from now. But inspire doesn't say to actions that this model controls, it says all Ml and Sh actions. Defending or attacking, it doesn't say this model has to be acting to get a modifier. Don't you think you could inspire your crew to hold their shield up higher?

    the defending model is still part of the enemy's Sh or ml action

  5. You need to be the acting model to get a +flip from Inspired because the +flip is to actions.

    Inspires says "This model gets :+fate to Ml and Sh actions", not "This model gets :+fate during  Ml and Sh actions" or "This model gets :+fate to Ml and Sh duels".

    What it comes down to is that you add modifiers to actions when you are acting, and a defending model is not acting. If you want to consider that as a peculiarity of either "action" or "to" in Malifaux Rules English you're certainly welcome to, but it's still how the rules work and is about as straightforward as it can reasonably be.

    can you tell me the page it says no fate modfiers to the defending model? and isnt that what defensive stance is?

    becasue on page 32 it says "Both models simultaneously flip one card (plus any
    cards for Fate Modifiers)"

  6. First, you don't need to make every sentence a new post. There is an edit button if you want to add to a previous post.
     

    I posted the exact rule above. The only time the rule mentions anything about enemy models is in the stipulation that Lady Justice must kill an enemy model with a ML action for the ability to trigger.

    I KNOW RIGHT haha >D hey Im new to this forum so ill clean it up in my next one if i find something as interesting to talk about

  7. So in malifaux land does the word "action" mean friendly action only? Silly real world English language is screwing me up here but the wording on the "inspire" condition Lady Justice hands out reads "this model gains +flip to Ml and Sh actions" which means enemy Ml and Sh actions too. So yay +flip to defense flips!!!

    Page 37 of Malifaux 2e full rulebook Steps in resolving an action

    1. Declare Action & Spend AP
    2. Perform Duels
    3. Resolve Results

    Page 33 step 2 of opposed duel

    Both models simultaneously flip one card (plus any
    cards for Fate Modifiers)

  8. It's very specific and worded clearly. Sh, ca and ml actions are attack actions. When you or the enemy performs such an action, the defending model either performs a df or wp action to protect itself from the attack.

    This doesn't need a faq or anything, as it's not an issue with the rules, but your interpretations of them, which I think is due to your misconceptions about the mechanics of actions and modifiers.

    You are wrong, sir.

    there is no defense or willpoer action in this game, only attack actions, the defense flip is part of the action

  9. If someone can show me somewhere in the FAQ & Errata or the rules somewhere to prove me wrong I will give you a cyber kiss.

    Page 32, Opposed Duels, paragraph 2. "In an opposed duel there is an Attacking model (the model that is acting) and a Defending model (the model that is targeted by the Attack Action).

    The rules clearly state that only the attacker is acting, so only the attacker gains any benefit from a positive flip to actions. I will pass on the kiss.

    Why do you need to be the acting model to get a +flip?

    Page 37 3 steps to resolving an action

    1. Declare Action & Spend AP
    2. Perform Duels
    3. Resolve Results

    Page 32 opposed duel

    step 2 both models flip one card and add fate modifiers

  10. So in malifaux land does the word "action" mean friendly action only? Silly real world English language is screwing me up here but the wording on the "inspire" condition Lady Justice hands out reads "this model gains +flip to Ml and Sh actions" which means enemy Ml and Sh actions too. So yay +flip to defense flips!!!

    not quite. Say she inspires someone. They ml/sh someone else. Your model is taking a ml/sh so gains a +, the enemy is making a df/wp flip (whicher is applicable to the attack). The opponent then retaliates and attacks back. The ml/sh at your model who makes a df/wp flip. That flip is NOT at a + from Inspire as it is not a sh/ml flip for you, its a df/wp flip.

    Df and Wp flips are duels required by the Action just like the attack flip

  11. So, lets walk through how an action is performed:

    One model declares an action. Whether it's e.g. a Ml action is determined by the stat it adds to its flip. Lets say for the sake of argument that its a Ml action that is resisted by Df. Then it declares a target, e.g. an enemy. Thus, "This model" would take "a Ml action". How do you come from that to the enemy model performing an action? Even if it was, it would be a Df action.

    How would you  interpret "this model gains +flip to all enemy attack actions"? 

    "This model gains +flip to all friendly enemy attack actions"? Haha

    Both of those would make no sense at all. To get a :+fate from that wording, you would have to declare an action.

    Gaining plus flip to an action makes no sense at all? Well then they should have worded it better. Haha if something says you gain plus flip to an action it needs to specify which action. Or it is implying all actions of that variety.

  12. Defense flip is just as much part of the Ml or Sh action as the attack flip! Don't be prejudice against defense flips! They save your model's lives!

    I don't get you. As the Inspired model doesn't perform a Ml or Sh action, why would it get a :+fate?

    it doesn't say actions this model executes, just actions. It's literally saying "this model gets +flip to enemy Ml and Sh actions" how would you interpret that?

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