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8 minutes ago, Thedeadclaw said:

This is a feature, not a glitch. There have been multiple threads talking about the most efficient way to use Lucid Dreaming, and the truth is that Lucid Dreaming is at is best with the majority of the crew using it and removing low and middling value cards. Taking the time to steal a 13 when it comes out just in case a Stitched Together needs it is risky and Gamble Your Life is the only big payoff. More often than not it looks more like "13 Mask, 13 Rams, 12 Crows" or similar on a Lucid Dreams flip and you decide to take advantage of the 13 Rams since you don't really want to be losing any of those cards. It's very seldom that you actually intentionally Lucid Dream away a 13, so there's still quite a bit of work to pull it off, but the Stitched Together still have Lynch's influence from last edition: they're huge cheats at cards. That's thematic and lore driven. It is all a feature that makes Stitched attractive to the Nightmare and Puppet crews. Honestly, they're abilities that are barely useful outside of those crews, so no, definitely not broken, especially since we're not seeing every tournament filled with Neverborn wins. Ressers could probably have some nobs turned and still be good; same with 10T; but competitively, hitting Neverborn or Guild would just wreck them based on the tournament data we have right now. They have a few good limited models but there just isn't enough for them to edge out the upper tier and middling factions on a competitive plane, at least not regularly.

good analysis.  Its true Dreamer is top tier but he is far from dominant in the competitive scene.  Same goes for Shenlong.  There is top tier stuff in Arcanist, Bayou, Outcast and Resurrectionists.  This thread is premature.  There is hotness all over the place, the only thing that has proven bad for the competitive scene is double masters which is a shame but definitely is the case.

happens all the time with Zoradia if she is allowed.  Smart players use it for a positive flip on resisting the obey.

Hi Graham will the Strats and Schemes be going up over the long weekend?

44 minutes ago, Jesy Blue said:

After flipping, before cheating.

Yes after flipping but before cheating.  Never seen anyone play it otherwise.

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On 8/17/2019 at 12:07 PM, Clousseau said:

How many signed up for this?

What if my Master doesn't have a totem yet?

Dave don't know about the master thing but just spoke to the shop and there are 8 prepaid and I've just bought a ticket so good numbers .

10 hours ago, konee said:

Does anyone have a single spare tanuki that I could borrow for the event?

I offer a pint for the hassle

Not a problem will bring along.  Due you just need the model?

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On 6/28/2019 at 7:24 PM, Nathan Caroland said:

Eh, it'll be updated next week - didn't dare make the fellas work their weekend (we're a Monday - Thursday group) to get it finished up.

 

Nathan could you confirm if the above post refers to updating the out of date web content or Wyrd taking some further action on the unreleased stat cards that are negatively impacting competitive play?  The post has been referenced by a TO regards an imminent tournament, effectively to see if Wyrd fix the problem.  Would be be helpful to know either way as players are having to make commitments regards attendance 

First game with Nekima an issue around wording came up

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Until the End Phase, after a friendly Nephilim is killed within range, another friendly Nephilim within range may Push up to their Mv and take a  Action

 

a read this as when a friendly Nephilim is kill any Nephilim other than the one killed can push and take an attack action.  My opponent read this as another friendly Nephilim as a Nephilim other than Nekima.   My interpretation makes sense in terms of the sentence and plain english but I can see my opponents point given any other friendly is so often used to exclude self targeting of a tactical action.  It also beggars the question if it  is Nekima and  not the killed model that is  excluded would this ability be triggered before the killed model is taken off the table?

2 minutes ago, Kharnage said:

Are you saying that the missing cards will be updated? So that I can have a blood piggie to puke up corpses, looking suspiciously like a pukeworm until such time as the Wyrd powers-that-be release God-Empress Nekima's box? 
EDIT: Nevermind, you were referring to the website. Carry on

I'm prepared to believe Nathan can see the depth of the issue and is going to spring into action.  Is it possible to put alerts on Dropbox for when Nathan pushes that button?

57 minutes ago, S4lt said:

 

 

It would be better for all T.Os and all players. New or existing. Not sure why people would argue against that.

Given I picked up these models yesterday and have two packs of Nephilim in transit I'd be happy argue against this stance.  

You are always going to be able to build a strong argument around a theoretical "new player" that would is inexplicably well informed about the massive range of printed models cards they only started looking at 5 days ago but not know about half a dozen unpublished stat cards that are critical to several popular crews.   

This theoretical new player that needs protecting from the theoretical negative impact of facing a model they're not familiar with, that may need an explanation at the table ( the same explanation happening on almost every other table, as real players constantly face stuff they are not familiar with in a new edition)  

to avoid that theoretical "new player" problem until I guess the faction books are released.  At which point the same table explanation has to occur because the  theoretical "new player" is probably not insane and hasn't bought all of the faction books so hasn't got direct access to every stat card.

the whole bases for this problem, other than the messy nature of the situation couldn't be more spurious.

2 hours ago, S4lt said:

I think the problem is they have just been banned from the biggest UK M3E event to date in the Scottish GT.

That has caused an issue with quite a few masters becoming uncompetitive.

No it makes several key masters unplayable.  Try running a Nekima without her totem.  

Bloody stupid situation made worse by stupid choices

8 minutes ago, S4lt said:

There is no GG document for M3E as far as I know. Generally tournaments in the UK have allowed proxies if the rules exist until the models come out.

The problem is the rules are now released but many masters are missing models that are essential to how they play at a competitive level.

Just a few examples.

Nekima/Dashel - no totem

Ressers/Guild/Neverborn - 1 master down on other factions

Tara - a summoner who doesn't have her key summons

Ignoring all those problems.  I'll be racking up to tournaments in the UK with Nekima and moded proxy pig and the last beta rules for the totem.  Expect Zero real issues...

You raise an interesting point.  Range is measured from Swamp fiend I'd argue; the range from Zoraida is irrelevant.  Wording on stealth is sufficient open to be interpreted differently.  Don't know if there is s general rule that defines which option takes precedence. 

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2 minutes ago, Scoffer said:

Spotter doesn't change wordings of Nino's auras, it only removes range restrictions. Family values says "a Family model", so only one and only Family model in LoS can benefit from it regardless of range.

That maybe what games designer intended but it's not how it has been written.  

Heck every and all Guild crew now come with added Nino 🤣

44 minutes ago, 4thstringer said:

I would assume some change like that will be made, but if not...

digging deeper into this vain of filth.  Would there be an argument that as worded could spotter mean that his family value trigger affects all friendly models not just friendly family models ?  This could end up as big brain good....

52 minutes ago, 4thstringer said:

I might be reading spotter wrong, but I think Judge isn't even our best card draw now.  Every time Nino hits with his gun, he can discard a card to make family values trigger for every friendly model in LOS.  that's draw a card for each of them.  Now, I don't think this is going to survive final printing, but it's pretty incredible.

Surely the final print  deadline has already passed.

I'm guessing spotter should be written 

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This model's a affect any (rather than every) friendly model within LoS, ignoring range.

17 hours ago, 4thstringer said:

I swear, if you get him nerfed for the general release I am going to be very sore with you.

Is there something weird about this or is it actually reveal 5 cards, probably keep 3-4 and take 2-4 damage depending on level of luck.

Just read Nino card.  Is the interplay of his and judges ability been read generating AP for the judge? is his discarding generating 1 AP or in theory multiple AP?

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7 minutes ago, Tors said:

Thats rather a problem of poor sportsmenship than wording. Solkan's explanation is the only one supported by the written rule text. 

very true, I agree but it's just hard to pin people down for the BS within a Tournament when the pressures on.

Tend to agree with Solkan on further consideration.

the exact wording on the ability are

Enemy only. This model and the target both flip over the top card of their Fate Deck, which cannot be Cheated. The model with the lowest value flipped card (or the target, in the case of a tie) suffers 3/4/5 damage.

The wording doesn't transfer the damage flip to the target if they happen to win, so assuming HTW or similar the does not make the flip uncheatable then the Stitched gets to cheat the damage even if they lose the flip.

What makes this funny is that I faced the same opponent the following day and when their Stitched lost a flip and the damage flipped was a RJ they tried to play it "correctly" to avoid the 6 damage ,having insisted (and took off my Stitched) we played that they were able cheat the damage, because they won the flip when a target them the previous day.  They were not happy, when given the previous day, I told them to bugger off.

Like so many special abilities the wording is poor which leads to confusion 

In the event that Stitched flips lower, is there any basis for the opponent claiming they can cheat the damage flip.

Despite the ability saying nothing to that effect it came up in a game and my opponent pushed to be allowed.

despite loosing the flip the gamble remains the stitched action so why should the stitched not be the one to cheat?