abraxus04

Correct about the Black Blood but the target part of the discussion was about Lelu and Twisted Thoughts. Sarsnick lays out a pretty good scenario in his original response. Essentially if there is a non-neverborn model within 2 in of him you have to target the model per Twisted Thoughts even if it is one of your own (ie. merc or effigy).

I was checking my mini-rule book (thanks wyrd and adepticon!) and on page 12 it says that abilities are always active and applied whenever called for, so I would tend to agree with Sarsnick on this one.

Thanks for the answer! I had never thought about that ability taking affect on your own crew that way. Good to keep in mind! Thanks again

The abilities state they afftect non-neverborn models but say nothing about them being friendly or not. So in neverborn vs neverborn matches (assuming all neverborn models) these abilities would have have no affect, correct?

The way it was played in a recent tournament was the model that suffers taint loyalty is still under the player's control just it loses friendly status thus it doesn't benefit from things that affect friendly models such as auras, spells, etc. Thus in your scenario the player with Tuco doesn't gain control of the targeted model like you would as with Obey and would not satisfy the Avatar requirement.

Cool thanks!

I have a 2 part question that I am reasonably sure I know the answer to but wanted to get a second opinion. My understanding is that you can stack effects from different sources as long as they are not generated by the same ability. So, 1. Can a single model generate multiple auras at the same time? Ie. The Exorcist uses (0) Blessing of Banishment and the casts (1) Damning Oratory. My guess is yes because they are 2 different things even though they are both 6" auras. 2. Scenario assuming the above is correct: Sonnia, Exorcist, and 2 Witchling Stalkers are all within 1 inch of each other arranged in a square. The Exorcist uses Blessing of Banishment and Damning Oratory. Sonnia uses Nullify Magic. Each Witchling Stalker uses Disrupt Magic. The net result is where all the circles overlap receives the benefits of only 4 of them (BoB, DO, NM, and DM) since the second Disrupt Magic aura effect is not unique. So friendlies in the overlap get magical melee weapons. Enemy casters in the overlap get :-fate:-fate to cast until start closing phase and :-fate between start and end closing phase. And lastly enemies with one of 4 characteristic types can't declare triggers. My guess again is this is correct.

Thanks ratty, one other quick related question, if you took 2 wounds before the manifest do the wounds transfer to the avatar card, my guess is yes but wasn't sure.

If you choose to pay for the avatar ability in your crew does that have any affect on what schemes you can use. Ie. Seamus crew using his avatar and choosing Bodyguard for a scheme?