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I am still unsure of which undercoat colour to go for.... Black seems to work really well most of the time. White can be annoying if you miss spots... not tried grey. However, black is a pain when it comes back to painting flesh and light shades.... Seen some painters who do black and then "dust" white over the top for a sort of stippled effect... Any tips?

Just considering Molly's Enforcer and Henchmen choices... Bete and Killjoy seem to fulfil a similar role in that they are melee beat-sticks that she can get out into melee relatively easily with her summon or through killing/death. Giving either of them Decaying Aura turns them into ultimate assassins... However, this makes Killjoy expensive! The Valedictorian - compared to the options about she is not as mobile and needs to move to get into melee. But she is a ss user... so she has that in her favour. But she would compete for the beat-stick slot again. Madame Sybelle is interesting as she is also a beat-stick but can give Molly some increased mobility. Her upgrades seem useful as well. But I guess to get the most out of her you need to use a more belle-focused crew. Haven't tried her yet... but looks interesting. Datsue-Ba has been great and with Spirit Whispers, she can do all sorts of useful things. Really like her. Rogue Necromancy - just another beat-stick really.... I guess it's Stalk can add some movement. But again, like the Valedictorian it needs to move to get to the enemy which means it can be intercepted and/or avoided. Mortimer and Sebastian seem pretty useless with her. On another note... how come Madame Sybelle does not have the Belle descriptor?

yeh, the art work is growing on me actually... sort of innocent yet creepy girl... almost undead Pandora-esq.... but where do you get that from???

I agree molly should be a non-combatant sort of model. Though I also want something subtle undead.... could just paint her pasty pale skin I guess with black eyes and such... her avatar... not sure. What would avatar Molly look like?

Problem with Distract is it affects the effectiveness of the crew as a whole and can prevent or hamper completion of their own schemes/strategy. If you ignore the Distract then you give the opponent VP, if you remove it then you are stuck. If you took Break Through or Entourage then the 1 turn of inactivity could prevent getting into the opponents side. What if you took Assassinate but then models are Distracted, your models can't attack and so less likely to get the kill. If you ignore the Distract and kill the opposing crew then wait until later to remove the condition, I guess its a balance of the VP your opponent scores and how many you can score post-crew death. Out-activation also really helps with this scheme.

Yeh, I've read the stuff about Molly being some reporter that Seamus took a liking to (always a bad thing....) but how she was res'd using the Tear of the Gorgon hence why she is not just "some belle". Also that Philip is a student who tells her stuff... I am really enjoying Molly's game mechanics but her model (current or the possible new one) just don't inspire me in the same way. I'm happy to go against the fluff and suffer the rage-hate from strict Malifaux'ians. But it's a game and I'm the only playing the crew and paying the spondoolies for the models and paints and such. As long as the base sizes are not altered then does it really matter? Never going to get concensus on a wargaming forum .

Bushido mini's are great. However, another oriental/Asian resser female miniature with pretty much the same summoning pool (with the correct upgrade).... too much overlap for me. Could I have spirits inspired by something other than asia? however all the names are Asian in origin.... http://www.gaspez-arts.com/fantasy-vampires/banshee-of-blood.html http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F--0JpWE_pTsI%2FUDZWommNCtI%2FAAAAAAAAApo%2FE-fUln40UjU%2Fs1600%2FRecently%252BUpdated10.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vampirecounts.net%2FThread-Vampire-Counts-Inspiration-Thread%3Fpage%3D5&h=600&w=800&tbnid=SGSyIkZZ4PVd6M%3A&zoom=1&docid=2p4ReMch3tXTEM&ei=I2ZMU_zXDMO-OfWKgdAF&tbm=isch&ved=0CF8QhBwwAw&iact=rc&dur=271&page=1&start=0&ndsp=21 avatar molly? http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-D91bW6JzK48%2FTjZvgIxPzsI%2FAAAAAAAAOIo%2FWhNhZpe4a0Y%2Fs640%2Ftomb_banshee_models.JPG&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbattlereporter.blogspot.com%2F2011_08_01_archive.html&h=640&w=612&tbnid=NMXMmoWAGfxlIM%3A&zoom=1&docid=7wU2FYpMOQJrXM&ei=I2ZMU_zXDMO-OfWKgdAF&tbm=isch&ved=0CFwQhBwwAg&iact=rc&dur=357&page=1&start=0&ndsp=21 molly or onryo?

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mGkdE9TFwy4nAfajhhJJptQ.jpg what model is this??!?!? http://www.coolminiornot.com/articles/2105-news&page=8 https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/degra-miniatures/mlle-rocateau.html https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/game-of-thrones/melisandre.html https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/game-of-thrones/game-of-thrones-margaery-tyrell.html https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/kingdom-death/slender-man-1.html another option for a non-molly molly - really creepy and weird! like it but expensive! https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/tale-of-war-miniatures/gabrielle-lunardiente.html

Not sure how well Freebooter scale with Malifaux,... http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/freebooter-miniatures/monsieur-mort male version of Molly? http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/freebooter-miniatures/undead-lady too dead? http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/freebooter-miniatures/steampunk-fairy not dead enough? http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/freebooter-miniatures/miedo-a-morir just really like the model... could be Bete Noir???? or an avatar option? http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/freebooter-miniatures/queen-of-shadows

Hmmm at least that model has some sort of dynamism about it. Looks like one of those evil anime toons though...

Her model doesn't really say "I'm a mistress of the undead" though.... not really that inspiring for a master-level figure and doesn't really have the presence like some of the other master-level models. Considering her crew... it's either Asian/oriental themed from the spirits or undead horrors. So is there scope for her to be proxied as another oriental-themed master? But I guess that would step too much into Kirai's territory.

Ok, so given the late expectation of the crew.... Proxy suggestions? What does Mistress Molly look like? Her henchman model is uninspiring... What about avatar Molly... a 50mm base - BIG MOLLY! - giant undead zombie woman? Why are the avatars all on BIG bases....

Given the delays and release schedule I am presuming that Molly's crew will not be out for quite some time. Her current models do not inspire me so what would you think are acceptable proxies?

Give Nico Necrotic King and then get Undead Crowning off. Ca for the Belle Lure and for PZ damage flip

He is useful. Giving him Corpse Bloat means he can also be used to generate cc's, though bit more risky as less wounds. One advantage is that in a Nico crew you can CB him almost to death and then use Nico to fully heal him. But CB competes with other 0 actions. Tosh and Nico within 6" of the same minions is nasty.... to hit is good.

There could be lots of masters that build on themes already, but is that what we want? Do we want another Chthulhu (never spell that right....) model / master? We already have Coppelius and the Nothing Beast. More cross-faction masters would be good to tie factions together. Wyrd benefit from having players buying models from two factions rather than focusing on one. I also tend to prefer "themed" crews rather than picking odd-ball combinations. Begs the question, what models are out there and what themes could they go into?

Resser / Arcanist dual-faction would be great. I like the idea of a sort of "brain in a jar", maybe avatar can be a big suit like Hannah. Reminds me of Futurama and Nixon.... Brain in Jar could be telepathic/telekinetic - giving him control over undead through obey sort of actions. Resser / Gremlin - Grandpa Jo - Mah Tucket's long suffering husband... Somer's dad...so old that he is infused with the eternal energies of the bayou... Could summon clay golem's, undead croc's, mosquito swarms, etc... spirit-animated elemental stuff - constructs rather than undead? or both.... maybe his avatar is he becomes the "gremlin swampthing".

Yeh, Philip is just a disembodied undead head of some philosopher/doctor type if I remember. Nanny I have visions of some spinster sort with bonnet and such... Big Victorian-style pram.

Problem I have with him/them is that they are not combat based and don't really add to the combat prowess of a crew. Whilst being able to get cards and deny schemes is great, this just adds to the attrition war that Ressers do. But at the end of the day models walking around and being able to remove models (either kill or paralyse) are going to trump any other shenanegans. Whilst its not about wiping out the other crew, a dead crew cannot interact or counter-attack.

When I'm using the current vassal and Malifaux it sometimes blacks out the screen and freezes. I've reinstalled both vassal and malifaux. I've reinstalled and updated Java I didn't have any issues with 3.2.10 or before the update. Anyone else having this issue or know any reasons why or a solution?

Do paralysed models count for scoring then? I get that they can't put down scheme markers.

Would you take him? He is a fast melee beat-stick as far as I can see. Claim Souls doesn't seem that great as the only time it is realistically going to take effect is Turn 4/5 when being paralysed from failing Horror isn't so important. Revel is Pain basically means he can Flurry for free assuming he hits the TN. He has Armour effectively - just armour that gets better. So is he worth the 12ss cost compared to other high ss models?

What are they good for? Why take them?

Is she worth her cost? I guess she is a manouverable flurry melee "monster". How does she compare to other 10ss models like the Rogue or such? Would you take her?

What are the best ways to circumvent this sort of attack then? Against things that can summon or recoup losses at least there is the potential to replace the damage. Against a crew that has no such ability this one move could win the game alone. Whilst it is an investment of a master and 12ss model to do so, the damage it causes is greater. If it takes out a big gribbly then that's going to leave a large hole in a crew and then it's just going to get worse from then on in as the big gribbly won't be replaced. And so the "nuclear bomb" effect will just keep on going without a counter. Also, imagine that was your first experience of Malifaux... would it be a good experience? I can see why others would "rage quit". Not knocking it, as I'd do the same if I was Tara or such, its a valid tactic and way to work. Even though it quite a large investment, it does seem to have more effect than its input. I know its been said lots that Malifaux is more than "kill the other side" but this tactic would work regardless of strategy or scheme as wiping out the enemy means they cannot complete their schemes/strategies anyway. If this was Reckoning then it would be more devastating!