magicpockets

Trouble is, ^^ doesn't explain where the Tyrants came from. But if they were real people (humans, Neverborn etc) who became powerful through soulstones and events like the breach opening then maybe they evolved into something like Levi is experimenting with now and got beaten by the Neverborn (iirc?) and their power diminished until these new vessels like Sonnia, Hamelin, Dreamer, Rasputina and Seamus (maybe Seamus - but that is then one per faction....) came along to give them a route back to their power?

Wyrd are probably laughing at how off base this is, but seems to have a sort of logic to it (as logical as Malifaux is anyway!) Not sure it means anything in game terms, but would offer a cool Genesis story to the fluff.

I agree on caution over bury/unbury limits per turn - that would hit Bette quite hard. In fact, Bette's way of doing it (i.e. you can't use either of bury/unbury twice in one activation) is possibly the right answer? So you can unbury, do stuff, bury - but not unbury again. Again , just an idea obviously

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before but another thread reminded me of something I thought whilst reading Twisted Fates and wanted to bounce the idea. Are Tyrants the previous "Masters" in Malifaux? An I don't mean in a "power" state, but in a physical "game term" sense.

This came from the Levi transcending his body story (with Zoraida) and me wonder if Nytmare, December etc were once physical masters who transcended their bodies like Levi in Twisting Fates, but almost like the "next stage" of development?

It just seems like the Leveticus story really was telling us something and seemed to be a thread between the power that turned people into Avatars and Levi becoming more than his Avatar.

Too be fair I may be talking rubbish and way off, but wanted to bounce the idea in case anyone can explain why I'm wrong etc.

Took AGES to find because it's under a Drain Souls question, but here you go mate - http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?26417-Drain-Souls-questions

As you get onto page two you'll see the conversation about this very thing with Sketch and this ruling vs the old damage/wounds ruling. Hope it helps bud.

Really nice list. Agree with all of them except point 1 - Malifaux has a huge luck component, even moreso than dice games. Cards are a lot more fun but a lot more prone to extremes.

Actually Calmdown I feel the luck component has been rather limited in my opinion, or at least, rather limited taking into account the number of interactions.

Take it outside guys

Certainly when my opponent announces Neverborn, I'm taking McTavish =3

When my opponent announces Neverborn, I usually take a non-gremlin Master!

That started my day with a smile

He bloody is!

I told you, the kittens were an accident

I feel a player should be able to choose their master after flipping the strat (as it is now). I often wonder how the game would change were leaders then revealed prior to hiring, however. EDIT: Which is to say, separate the hiring of the master from the hiring of the crew, creating two separate phases.

I really, really like this idea. Pick your Master in secret and then reveal it, much like schemes. I'm not sure if the Liverpool tourny is trying this in a few weeks (Ian? You mentioned it on the podcast) but would be cool to try it out to see how it goes.

dgraz: what exactly are you trying to contribute here?

Easy tiger....

Not that we weren't already looking at it....

Don't pretend you'd even noticed, you're all too busy spending the millions you made over Gencon to think about things like improving the game.

(On a serious note, thanks for letting us know this is on your radar mate)

Buhallin, obviously we've had many a conversation outside of this thread and hopefully you know I don't have any issue with you, nor do I take exception to your comments - I know I come off as abrasive to say the least. However I don't think there's anything I say which is unwarranted or not backed up, like Spiku says that's more than most of the rebuttals I get. It's just a shame that people (not you btw) think that responding to my "attitude" is the same as responding to the points I make - and it isn't.

If people don't like that I call things as I see them (like in the other thread where I took credit for something and some folks got upset by that) then the best thing is to ignore what I say. I'm not in the habit of being mean to people or anything just for sport or in the name of so called trolling, I just don't feel a need to mince my words because people are more sensitive than me. And of course I'm not saying that's okay, but I dont think it's out of order either.

And stepping back a bit, this thread has (inevitably) derailed hugely into something not constructive at all. I'll keep responding etc as people criticise me, but the sensible side of me thinks this thread would be best wrapped up with a padlock icon.

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I was right with Mr. Pockets all along - but with this absurd Kid Rock reference I must now call his judgement into question...

Have to admit, Kid Rock is a guilty pleasure of mine - even seen him in concert

Quote needs less sellout and more Lemmy.

Kid Rock, sell out? How dare you sir....

I fully understand that not everyone really gets the extremely self-confident stance that some people take (such as myself);

"They say I'm Cocky and I say 'what?' - it ain't bragging Mother F***er if you back it up"

- Kid Rock, never a truer word spoken

I'm not sure I can think of any negative implications to changing bury in this way to be honest. Maybe things like tracking poison and regeneration would be come more complex, but there's nothing abusive I can think of off the top of my head

Pockets can claim his post count as justification that he's not so bad all he wants - that just means people don't bother to call it out publicly. Given my experience with PMs and personal conversations with my local playgroups, I can safely say there's a pretty large contingent there that he's not taking into account.

Two things, almost everyone hates me until they meet me - I'm not sure I know one person who's met me that doesn't "get" me or dislike me, which is why I'm not too worried about people disliking "MagicPockets" as I'm not him.

Also, my point re posts (I take it you mean about posts in which people criticise me rather than my personal post count) was that people can ignore me, flame me or whatever - they have that choice. Broken rules affect us all and we can't ignore them so instead of complaining about personalities we should be looking at how we fix issues and stop them happening in the future.

Reducing my (I think pretty valid) arguments and ideas to "shut up because no-one likes you" isn't a shining example of the welcoming community you're looking for. And if your "PMs and personal conversations with local playgroups" are really about me, some people have too much spare time...

For what it's worth I'd +1 the "effects should resolve" idea.

As mentioned, Killjoy + Collodi + Marionettes + Wicked Doll = win

*insert "lets ignore the reality and all be nice to each other because we don't want to have our own opinion or risk upsetting anyone" meme here*

Bury isn't broken.... you just need to learn to play

I also think that if an ability causes Dg to the model when used, rather than Wds, it is allowed even if you know it will kill you. This I'm not totally sure on though, I don't play any models with these types of abilities so it hasn't come up for me.

This used to be the case but Sketch confirmed that certain death by either Wds or Dg isn't allowed now. There has to be a chance you could survive - even if that means flipping a black joker (best to work this out based on having a full deck, not the actual deck which could have had the Black Joker already played)

Makes me regret cutting mine up

Importantly, anyone reading threads containing negative opinions should remember that if those of us that voice said opinions didn't care about the game, we wouldn't bother voicing them at all. These criticisms are borne of passion, and for a game to inspire this level of passion it has to be pretty damned epic.

I do think people over look this, but it's dangerous in respect of new players etc - they don't step back and think about the context of the comments because they don't know how that context works. SO we do need to balance our "vocalness"

And thank you all for your comments etc, and keeping this thread on track

I generally like you, man, but you need to re-read this, take a long look at it, and ponder just how incredibly arrogant and insulting this sounds. I don't care how good think you are, how good you actually are, how much you know, or how much you share - attitudes like this are nothing but horrible for a game.

Just to point out I didn't say ALL play-testers were average. And don't ask me to apologise for calling the kettle black (I hope that's not juts a British phrase - jic it has nothing to do with racism), I stand by my point and am just calling it as I see it. It's like letting me test-drive a new F1 track car and then the manufacturer complaining when a pro driver finds faults with it - you need the best people involved in testing, and they're the ones who can break stuff.

Also, as for arrogance making for a horrible game - count the number of posts on here complaining about my arrogance and the number complaining about "broken" rules. I think the latter is more of an issue...

And just for the record, I'm not p*ssed I'm not a play-tester (to be fair I was supposed to be involved in avatar playtesting last time but was too busy), my point is there's a LOT of very talented people on here who should be the first people to be asked by Wyrd to help. And if they don't ask, then it's not that person's fault if they break stuff and cause problems.

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every third or so* post made by MP or CD as of lately has contained some sort of remark that former poster/Wyrd/playtesters are wrong and that they themselves are the godgiven blessing to Malifaux, albeit misunderstood.

We can stop posting it so often now if people are getting it

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The Bury mechanic OTOH is most likely not working as intended - I seriously doubt that the designers and testers had the current effects in mind when devising the mechanic and I do believe that the designers should take a look at it (as I'm sure they are) and decide whether they really want it to be like it is or revise it somehow. They might arrive at a decision to keep it as it is, but I just hope that due thought is put into it. Personally I would change it somehow, but I haven't given it enough thought to give a definite suggestion as to how.

On a more serious note, I agree 100% with this.

Cheers for the support though Adam, i do appreciate it.

No thanks needed, I'm just keeping you onside in case it isn't Calmdown's baby, it makes the whole maintenance issue so much easier to deal with.... *wink*

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And for the record, Maelstrom is a GREAT venue - just a shame they've made this decision and what it shows about the way they see us all...

To be fair, I don't think anyone posts ideas (I'm trying to avoid the whole "broken" thing) in an obnoxious or rude ways. I think the people (person?) that's aimed at posts very plainly and just call it as they see it. I think the only time tempers have got frayed or things have got "rude or obnoxious" is when disagreements occur and strong personalities clash.

(And for the record I've never been spoken to or warned about conduct by Wyrd, so hopefully that means I'm not "that" bad...)

Now as you're aware, Maelstrom do do a lot of things for free when you take into consideration the extra charge for food:

They've confirmed as long as there are people drinking, they will remain open now until the am and not kick us out at 10pm

We get free table hire with good and expensive looking scenery, a great atmosphere and a bar (which i cannot get from any other venue)

A nicely stocked shop

Firstly, none of this is aimed at Jo.

I don't see how staying open to sell us drinks and having stock to sell us can be classed as something they do for us for free - if the beer was free fair enough, but come on. And as for the gaming side of Maelstrom ("free table hire...scenery"), isn't that part of their business plan to build loyalty and get us to buy from them? I know I buy exclusively from Maelstrom because I appreciate the venue they give us - even though I only go there once or twice a year. It's that's "supporting your LGS" idea I suppose.

And like I said earlier, I have no problem buying food from them as long as I can choose what and how much I buy - or even if I buy at all. Telling me I have to pay for a low quality, fixed option meal as a condition of attending an event there just doesn't sit right with me - I feel like i'm being exploited or something. It's really killed any goodwill I have for Maelstrom.

I know the problem because I do this for a living, they need to take a look at the difference between social norms and market norms, and how this "must buy food" thing could affect people's view of them - http://danariely.com/the-books/excerpted-from-chapter-4-–-the-cost-of-social-norms/

For this event, I've already said I'll come so I'll be there. But I'll now buy minis from somewhere else just out of principle. So, congratulations Malestrom - you just made £15 from me for some crap food, but that £300 I spent last month (and the not inconsiderable sum I spend every year) is likely the last penny you'll get from me unless I can't source a model elsewhere.

decent rds and marrige outside of your own family are fairly new concepts in Cornwall

I'll come just because that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time

Did you mean to start a new thread? You really don't get how this forum works do you mate lol. Been playing Gremlins too long me thinks *wink*