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Actually one of my major gripes: No, it isn't. Look through those PDFs and you'll notice a ton of Book 1 minions missing: Enslaved Nephilim, Scales of Justice, Guild Austringer, Guild Guard, Brass Arachnid, Jackalope, Electrical Creation, Poltergeist, Primordial Magic, and Student of Conflict.

There is no legitimate way to get the rules for those models without buying them (or their cards) or eBaying a copy of Book 1. That is seriously annoying.

This is something that annoys me as well.

They aren't "missing". The V2 cards were made prior to those models release.

The fact I bought a new Von Schill box a few weeks ago and it came with V1 cards is an annoyance. As theres no download available and I'm unwilling to pay & ship new cards from America, not much can be done about it.

Snow Storm had an edit and V2 card, so I think theres probably V2 for other book 2 minis.

Anyone know if there a definitive list or something?

There are only V2 cards for the models in the PDF's listed on the right side of the forum.

You mean is there a list like the one on the malifaux website?

There may just be...

http://malifaux.com/Fixes.php

This link is where you can find any differences between the book and the subsequent cards release as well as any errata that has come up for any of the models stats and/or rules.

Have to point out that coming to this thread and reading from the beginning, it's *VERY* confusing. The flip flopping of the rulings and the quotes of edited out rulings make it hard work even for a veteran Pandora player.

If you're a new player looking for clarification on Mental Anguish, i'd definitely suggest you look somewhere other than this thread.

Otherwise, I think where we've landed is that the ability works exactly as everyone has always played it. The Box Opens removes all WP immunities, but it does not make non-living models susceptible to Terrifying. Mental Anguish *does* affect everything, even Constructs and Undead.

Mike

All you have to do is read the Marshals Threads then it sounds like.

That link goes to a pasword locked page Sketch

Ok, back to the way things were before with Pandora causing everything to run off with Mental Anguish

And with the added bonus of now making non-living stuff take Terrifying checks by the looks of it, very interesting

Anathema is the Ability you want in order to make anything non-living to be affected by Terrifying.

That link goes to a pasword locked page Sketch

Ok, back to the way things were before with Pandora causing everything to run off with Mental Anguish

And with the added bonus of now making non-living stuff take Terrifying checks by the looks of it, very interesting

Not Terrifying. As Terrifying implicitly states Living.

I think I goofed on my initial replies...

Reposting and fixed initial:

1. Does The Box Opens remove Immune to Morale Duels granted by Spirit, Undead and Construct characteristics?

Yes. The Box opens removes any immunities to Wp Duels. And Morale Duels are Wp based Duels.

1. Does a model that is Immune to Morale Duels that fails to resist a spell cast by Pandora fall back if Mental Anguish was triggered.

Yes. The falling back occurs as the Immunity was stripped away.

1. Does a model that is Immune to Morale Duels take a Morale Duel caused by Coppelius' Deeply Disturbing ability if within 12" of Pandora and will it take 4 wounds (1 from Emotional Trauma and 3 from Night Stalker) if it fails?

Yes. Pandora hurts everyone's feelings.

1. If Pandora sucessfully casts a spell on Kirai and Kirai resists with a Crow, does Pandora lose 2 wounds from Kirai's Twisted Mind?
   

Only if Kirai was successful in Resisting the Spell.

So a construct, undead, nightmare or spirit regardless of whether it has Immune to Influence will never fall back due to the Mental Anguish trigger as they aren't living and can't suffer morale duels and "The Box Opens" can't remove that as it's not an immunity... right?

The Box Opens removes Immunity to Wp Duels. Not Morale Effects. Which Mental Anguish is. Pandora could declare the Trigger I guess, it just won't do anything in the case of Undead, Constructs, Spirits and Nightmares.

Let me clarify further.

Pandora casts Self Loathing on a model that has Immune to Morale Duels on it.

The Box Opens stripped Immune to Influence off as Immune to Influence states it's Immune to Wp Duels when it is the defender.

Pandora successfuly casts the Spell with a :crows and the model fails its Resist Duel. The model falls back.

This is plainly wrong; quoting from rulebook

A model that loses a morale duel OR is affected by an effect that forces a model to fall back is falling back.

Mental Anguish is NOT a morale duel

1. Does The Box Opens remove Immune to Morale Duels granted by Spirit, Undead and Construct characteristics?
   

No. The Box opens only removes any immunities to Wp Duels.

But a Morale duel is a type of Wp duel, as your link sais and the box opens sais loses any immunities to Wp duel, an immunity to morale duel is an immunity to a type of Wp duel, so has it been ruled a lot of times before on these very forums?

and this solves 3 as well

Ca(:masks :crows) Mental Anguish: After defender loses a Wp Resist Duel it immediately falls back and it counts as losing a Morale Duel.

Also quoting the rulebook (page19):

Effect is a game term referring to anything that changes a model’s state. Some models are able to ignore or are immune to game effects (X). A model immune to or able to ignore X cannot be affected or modified by X when resolving the effect. Duels requiring X do not occur.

Is Kirai's Twisted Mind different from Molly's?

Only got Molly here who sais explicitely Opposed Wp duel?

Twisted Mind: After winning a Duel, the opposing model in the Duel suffers 2 Wd.

1. Does The Box Opens remove Immune to Morale Duels granted by Spirit, Undead and Construct characteristics?

Yes. The Box opens removes any immunities to Wp Duels. and Morale Duels are Wp based Duels.

1. Does a model that is Immune to Morale Duels that fails to resist a spell cast by Pandora fall back if Mental Anguish was triggered.

Yes. The falling back occurs as the Immunity was stripped away.

1. Does a model that is Immune to Morale Duels take a Morale Duel caused by Coppelius' Deeply Disturbing ability if within 12" of Pandora and will it take 4 wounds (1 from Emotional Trauma and 3 from Night Stalker) if it fails?

Yes. Pandora hurts everyone's feelings.

1. If Pandora sucessfully casts a spell on Kirai and Kirai resists with a Crow, does Pandora lose 2 wounds from Kirai's Twisted Mind?
   

Only if Kirai was successful in Resisting the Spell.

So h2w would impact the damage flip correct?

Correct.

Accelerant is per model that has a Burning Token.

so to be clear, ( sorry, real slow here ), zoraida can hire a gunsmith then summon a wicked doll?

thanks for your patience

As I stated, yes.

Good to have that one locked down.

It's still and open question whether you can summon in a different Special Force, such as starting with Von Schill and the summoning a Rogue Necromancy... right?

Yes you may.

Ruling:

The only two Special Forces in your Crew rule applies only to Hiring.

End of the turn unless it states otherwise.

Several Models can remove counters that are not being carried from play (Lady J, Von Shill etc). Do they remove mindless zombies as well?

Yes.

Getting payed motives me

Paid

Fixt.

Watch the tones in here folks.

Oops. I meant to put him in the miniatures showcase with all of the other finished minis. Drat.

I moved it for ya.

Non-Living

Construct

Nightmare

Object

Soulless

Spirit

Undead

Dear Powers That Be,

Can you please lock this thread?

I have grown weary of it (even though I liked Kel's bank account comment).

Your humble servant,

Aaron

Ask and ye shall receive.

Easy on the tones please.

http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26241

Ok, specific situation to make this clear...

Clockwork Rider has Power Cycle + Armor (Total of 4)

Clockwork Rider suffers Cut Away 4 times (Total armor of 0)

Clockwork rider changed Power Cycle to lose the +3 armor (Still total armor of 0, i get that, i guess)

then

Clockwork Rider changes Power Cycle to regain the +3 Armor (Cut away has not expired yet)

Does the Clockwork Rider still have Armor 0 (1 + 3 - 4)

or

Does the Clockwork Rider have Armor 3 (1 + 3 - 1) because when the armor would be "negative" those Cut Away

Armor 0.

Cut Away is an effect that expires during the Closing Phase that is still on the Mechanical Rider. When the Spell was cast, all the requirements were present.