Kevan

Ok. I gave Alpha for completeness sake. There are other ways such as Brass Arachnid to gain reactivation. Is the summon twice a turn too powerful is my question.

The Riders summons suffer 2 DMG but have a wide array of models it can summon very reliably turn 3+. It is a 12 SS model that is very objective oriented.

The Spawn Mother is 3 SS less but a Henchman and requires a suit to put a delayed summon token in play but when the 2AP action is taken the summons come in at full. It can't summon the turn it lays eggs. Meaning it can not get Alpha'd to do anything but put out eggs.

I'd say its reasonable to say the Rider is a much better summoner. It can summon Metal Gamin which are sometimes harder to put down then Gupps even with only 2 wounds. The reactivate on Rider can summon a lot of models which is stronger for objective based play instead of reactivating a kill piece model to do killing.

Its just a different approach that may not be stronger in all situations and matchups.

Yes but spawn mother has lots of restrictions that an Alpha Rider doesn't. That is a hard comparison as the models are very different SS and Mother is a Henchmen.

I'm not only talking about Marcus alone, but thought I would include the possibility, Ramos's Totem can do the same thing.

I did not want to address the issue on a value of killing things like Howard can do. I want to address the AP and targets that the Rider can generate on a regular basis.
 

Except Ramos can not summon Metal Gamin which are Hard to Kill and have Armor which almost demands 2 AP to respond to them.

I think the double summon may be too strong late game turn 3+. Should it be made a once per turn like the Spawn Mothers eggs?

Masters:

http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13910

Henchmen:

http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13926

Thanks for the links! He tells of pictures! Where can I find these?

Where are these leaks coming from?

huh... So does that mean Canine Remains are auto include now? Maybe 2 of them? Just so they can (all) and get a token each turn... lol

Yeah I actually read the whole 12 page thread and a few others on Leveticus before making my purchase. The errata only made the wording on his Desolation buff trigger effect enemy models correct? I did not see anything that really effected him besides SPA Push fix. Was there something I skimmed over?

@Aberration, I was actually quite interested in the canine remains at first as I like their models and boom granted to Leveticus. The only reason I stayed away from them in my original purchase is for keeping the crew (slightly) more simple with SS to spare (even though he is said not to need them... having them sounds like good overkill times.)

Thanks a lot for the input Ropetus! Actually the main reason I was finally set on Leveticus was because his abilities were so off the wall different from every other Master. With Leveticus, Alyce, and Abominations/DE the low model count makes me feel comfortable that I'll be able to concentrate on all the abilities at hand (seeing as its really only 4 types of models.) I'm also anticipating a learning curve which will be 1/2 the fun =)

So a friend of mine from a LGS recently lent me the core book. And while I was initially turned off (by the whole zombie hooker thing...) the universe (and even Saemus) grew on me.

I really enjoyed the story as a whole and was initially drawn to three Masters to call my own. Nicodem, Ramos, and Leveticus. Though I really liked the gentlemanly mass zombie creator idea I shyed away from Nicodem probably because his lack of plot time in the book. And after deciding Leveticus was my man, I checked out his rules. Funny thing, the only other Master he can work with was my 2nd choice... Sooo I splurged and got them both.

I purchased fairly generic choices, Ramos in his box, and Leveticus with the models he summons/creates. Here is my lot!

Ramos

Steamborg Executioner

Steampunk Arachnid Swarm

Steampunk Arachnid x 3

(jeez i want a Electrical Creation and Joss...)

Leveticus

Hollow Waif x 2

Rusty Alyce

Steampunk Abomination x 4

Desolation Engine

I feel like I got a little overzealous... but I'm rather excited at all the possibilities I have right off the bat as Leveticus can use every model I've purchased.

Sorry for the rant! My question is what would you guys play with these models!?!?