graeme27uk Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 How well does the big squid-head synergise with others apart from Tara? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Not well at all. You need a master that can keep him safe, and get his Defense up. You need to use him like a missile, and you need to do it without cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme27uk Posted January 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Hmm... only other masters I can think of that use "no cards"... Leveticus and Hamelin. How would they do paired with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hateful Darkblack Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I played him with Von Schill this weekend. He got WHOMPED. Died on Turn Two from being left out in the open. Oy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme27uk Posted January 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Seems there are certain models that only really go with one master... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Both Hamelin and Levi vastly prefer Killjoy for the purpose of smashing things to bits - his delivery mechanism makes him perfect for either of them. Levi's obviously also pretty fond of Desolation Engines in that role. The Viks can also run with low cards to an extent, but Bishop is a better beater/controller, and things die much too fast for the Beast to keep anything buried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sezar Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Even Tara bastly prefers the Desolation Engine or Killjoy better than The Nothing Beast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Even Tara bastly prefers the Desolation Engine or Killjoy better than The Nothing Beast... Ehhhhhh... I wouldn't say vastly, she can run the Beast just fine. But yeah, there's no real reason to other than it being in-theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausplosions Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 The Nothing Beast is a BEAST I don't understand the hate he receives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edonil Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Honestly, I haven't had too much luck with him. How do you use him, Ausplosions? Might just be bad tactics on my part, so I'm curious how people are getting good success from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I use The NB pretty much the same way as other have used the Deso Engine and Killjoy. Bury him with Fast and let him lie in wait until it's time to crush face, then once he's done what he needs to do bury him again. If he's taken damage heal him up while buried with ya Wretches. Rinse and repeat. This has worked pretty well for me, I often give him Scramble as well just to give him that extra threat range but Oathkeeper could also work nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 His Truth in Nothingness cannot be overlooked. Coupled with the right crew and timed appropriately it is fantastic. Also his Obliterate is so powerful that I actually sometimes put him into the fight a little earlier in the turn just to tie things up. For his cost he is quite good. He serves a role of often being my anti-objective model killing machine. 3" range on his Ca is nothing to ignore (especially if Tara is giving him fast). With all this said, you need to watch what he goes up against as there are some good counters to him due to his low wounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myth Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yeah, the thing that gets me about the Nothing Beast is that he is a 10 SS model with 3 attacks a round. His attack is quite strong, his Incorporeal lets him easily get to good targets, and his Void power lets him really counter opposing attacks quite well. The main weakness of his attack is the min damage of 2. Focus can help with this, I suppose. Defense wise, 7 Wds and Incorporeal is not shabby, but does fall quickly to the wrong enemies. On the other hand, it only takes ditching a few weak cards from your hand to get his Defense to a very good place, so as long as he isn't ambushed at the top of the round, certain attackers will struggle quite a bit with him. I think of the Desolation Engine and Killjoy more as missiles you send into the midst of the enemy crew to do as much carnage as possible. The Nothing Beast is more of a hunter that can eliminate key threats. He's also 2-3 SS cheaper than the others, which is also worth keeping in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scirian Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Honestly, I haven't had too much luck with him. How do you use him, Ausplosions? Might just be bad tactics on my part, so I'm curious how people are getting good success from him. Yes, tell us the shiny secrets! We wants it. We needs it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96p Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Acrivate Tara, Bury him giving him fast in the process reactivate tara last unbury the nothung beast and make the intended target fast giving it -2wp. Now charge the target and hit it 4 times with an effective CA of 9 wrecking most models in one attack. Get initiative (should be doable due to a + to initiative) bury the NB again rinse repeat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyjoemc Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Acrivate Tara, Bury him giving him fast in the process reactivate tara last unbury the nothung beast and make the intended target fast giving it -2wp. Now charge the target and hit it 4 times with an effective CA of 9 wrecking most models in one attack. Get initiative (should be doable due to a + to initiative) bury the NB again rinse repeat... I would recomend not using tara to bury him. Remember that the wording on her buries say whenever a model dies , the buried model pops up in base contact, which can throw cthullu into the wrong place at the wrong time. NB is an ambush predator use him to finish off wounded models, pounce on and destroy weaker models, or late turn tarpit tank ( as long as something can give him suppourt) Tara can still ping him for fast though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I would recomend not using tara to bury him. Remember that the wording on her buries say whenever a model dies , the buried model pops up in base contact, which can throw cthullu into the wrong place at the wrong time. NB is an ambush predator use him to finish off wounded models, pounce on and destroy weaker models, or late turn tarpit tank ( as long as something can give him suppourt) Tara can still ping him for fast though. I tend to use Tara to Bury somebody like Bishop with Fast first, then give NB fast and bury him with a Death Marshall, this way if Bishop pops out due to Tara's bury he can actually take some beating before going down and this leaves the NB ready to jump out as and when Tara want's him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.T.A. Hoffman Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I don't think the NB is good for anyone but Tara. He's is very killy, but without the unbury/bury + discard tricks, he's a low def model. I mean, you could take him in a Victory list or a Hamlin, but he'd have to stay out of harms way for like 3 turns and show up turn 3/4 and start smashing. Throw him out turn 1/2, and fail to win the initiative, you'll be putting him back in your case when people realize he's def 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myth Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I don't think the NB is good for anyone but Tara. He's is very killy, but without the unbury/bury + discard tricks, he's a low def model. I mean, you could take him in a Victory list or a Hamlin, but he'd have to stay out of harms way for like 3 turns and show up turn 3/4 and start smashing. Throw him out turn 1/2, and fail to win the initiative, you'll be putting him back in your case when people realize he's def 3. Is he really that low Def? Unless you have a crew in which you are drawing extra cards, I've thought it would be pretty easy for him to be at average to above average defense within the first activation or two of the turn, and can then get to exceptional levels by later in the turn. He still has his weaknesses, but I'm not sure they are quite as extra as seems to be suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.T.A. Hoffman Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 NB is def 9 - cards in hand. So, if you have ways of drawing cards, then he's not too good. Tara has a lot of discards mechanisms, plus her wretches get higher Def as well when she has no cards. All in all, I don't see it working out very well for anyone but her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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