Can Viktorias hire Ramos?

[Hateful Darkblack]

Can the Viktorias hire Ramos in a Brawl with Vanessa's Arcanist Sympathizer?

(I know that Ramos can hire the Viktorias in a Brawl as an Arcanist Crew; I'm asking if the Viktorias as an Outcast Crew can hire Ramos.)

The rules text seems to indicate yes, but Ratty's Crew Creator seems to indicate no. Arcanist Sympathizer says you can hire one non-living Arcanist model, and Ramos is definitely that.

[Boshea]

I believe it doesn't work based on the wording for Brawls. Masters are chosen, not hired.

[Ryu]

I believe it doesn't work based on the wording for Brawls. Masters are chosen, not hired.

Exactly. Ramos can choose the Viks due to Mercenary (I believe it is, not in front of the books/cards right now) but the Viks can't choose Ramos who is out of faction and has no special inclusion rules.

Arcanist Sympathizer is for minion models, so the Viks could take the Rail Golem, for instance, if they had Vanessa.

[Hateful Darkblack]

I believe the second Master in a Brawl is based on hiring rules, which is why Leveticus can hire Ramos, and Kirai and Hamelin can hire The Dreamer.

Am I missing something?

[Alex]

Don't you select both your Leaders in a Brawl before you can hire minions, as you must follow the hiring restrictions of both? I think that is why; you don't have Vanessa in your crew yet when you select Masters.

[amor sanguinis]

The system is confusing. Its not that one master can hire another its that your leader is chosen. And you may bring an additional leader or get 10ss. The leaders must still fallow hiring rules so Vicky can ply hire Von S or the Grimlin.