von schill vs lady justice...whatcha say?

[skyhawk]

facing lady j tomorrow night and im bringing von schill to the table. Likely modles in the crew will be...

lady j, the judge, guild austringers, misaki, the executioner, nino ortega, and the gaurdian

no idea how many ss yet or strats and schemes...

my idea for a crew...

von schill, freikorp trappers, killjoy and desperate mercs....i kinda promised killjoy lol

ive thought about tossing in the specialtis instead of a trapper for an added bang lol

...your thoughts?

[BlueStar86]

I don't really like Killjoy all that much, sure he works well with the desperate mercs, but he's still ridiculously expensive. You can buy upwards of 3 minions for the price of him.

Depends on what you were needing, when facing things with armor, or lots of numbers, I'd use the specialist, when dealing with more elite units, or someone who makes use of a lot of terrain, I'd use the trapper.

[Arcantix]

What's your reasoning behind Killjoy? Is it to go toe to toe with Lady J? If so, good luck with that No but seriously, there's only a handful of models who can really test that crazy blind red head in melee and live to tell about it.

Who's your leader? Von Schill? Or are you playing him as a henchman? If you're playing him as leader, take at least one friekorpsman and companion activate him to provide some base blocking and other shenannigans.

Trappers, yes Take 2 and use from the shadows, plug Lady J early, and then often. She'll cheat or SS in turn 1 and 2, so get her to use up her SS pool with them before you commit to any sort of closer ranged engagements.

Specialist wont do much for you, he's too slow and he will be bird bait as he plods up field. Yeah his blast counters are good and all, but you're not going against a clumpy crew, so they probably wont ever get used, and he wont likely recover his SS cost.

I'd take Librarian instead of him, for healing flips and +df. Two things you're going to need against Lady J.

A convict gunslinger could do you well against Misaki, she has that 6" range with wind, but if you can get her held down with his AOE shooting, you can drain more cards from your opponents hand, or have her paralyzed and ready to kill (misaki is not that tough when she's on the receiving end).

As for schemes, take kill protoge on Misaki, he will have to advance her, so you may aswell kill her for VP, since if you leave misaki alone, she can eat your breakfast.

[skyhawk]

Yea well this cat who plays lady j is my usual partner in 2v2 games. Im playing von schill as the master, i just havnt gotten around to buying the viks and ronnin yet. The reason for killjoy is...i ont realy know ive just been running 2 basic crews with von schill. One of which is a hunting party hans, trappers, convict, mctavish...basicly a stay the $$$$$$$$ away from me crew. the other is a kiljoy crew usually with a few desperate mercs, killjoy, and some trappers or convicts, i dont know i like it because its not as common of a crew.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Keep to range, only go in for the kill with von schill since he can ignore the guardian armor with knife. play fast and to your strategy, you will have a diatint advantage. His crews threat range wont be much more than 14" so keep 15-16 and you will likely be safe as you narrow down his crew.

[Kadeton]

I'd say your major problems are going to be Lady J and Nino. Nino massively outshoots your Trappers at range, and absolutely nothing you can put in a Von Schill crew will stop Lady J from doing exactly whatever the hell she wants.

I would normally advocate the basic "shoot the choppy ones, chop the shooty ones" strategy, except that your only avenue of chopping is Killjoy (who will drop to Lady J in a single round) and the things you want to chop will just walk away if you don't kill them in one go. So your strategy is pretty much shoot everything.

With that in mind, I would actually go with a bunch of regular Freikorpmen, since they're cheap, fast, durable, and reasonably effective at both shooting and melee. Take a Librarian. Take your max 4 SS cache to keep Von Schill alive. It's a really tough match-up.

[EnternalVoid]

I would go with a trapper over a specialist if that is the force you are going to be facing. Maybe if it was a swarm list the specialist would help more but against that I think the long range shot will help add damage to a model or two you need dead sooner. Any shots at Lady J are a plus here. That said be wary of the Guardian, he might well be taking it to just protect Lady J on the approach. If the Guardian is protecting Lady J I would target Misaki as she is fairly soft if you can hit her.

I am going to echo something that Kadeton said; take some regular Freikorpsmenn. Cheap, Durable, and also a surprise factor for Lady J. If she wants to she can chop one down fairly easy with all her bonuses in combat but as long as Von Shill is close enough they can take a swing back at her. With her defense 5 and no true defensive triggers *Riposte is not much good with the guy already dying* they actually stand a chance to hit her unless she uses a SS. Odds are if she is charging into the Freikorpsmann she is not that close to the Guardian at the second.

It is to bad you don't have Taelor as she would be alot of help in this match up. Her damage output, ignoring armor, and decent endurance would go a long way to giving you a melee fighter to hold for the counterattack.

[skyhawk]

yea i realy want taelor and some ronnin, the match went pretty well we played shared slaughter, both announced kill protege, killjoy and executioner...killjoy killed and ate the judge, then killed the executioner who then healed by killing killjoy who then killed the executioner...yea that realy happened involving both red and black joker flips for boht players...this was stupid lol. nino and hans faced off for a bit with nino killing hans and then a trapper finishing off nino. von schill flew around like boba fette blasting at lady j and misaki, never killing either. until misaki got lucky against von schill and killed him, and the convict gunslinger shot up the austringers before dying...

overall vp

lady j-3

vonschill-2

awesome game!

[EnternalVoid]

Sounds like a brutal and enjoyable game. Sounds like a mess with Killyjoy and the executioner namely, both of them dying like that *from what you were saying that should have been the end result from what I could tell*.

[skyhawk]

yea they both died in that mess lol

[WLSFK]

Cool game Skyhawk.

I've just started with the Von Schill box and he rocks! I'd agree that he does well with all the models from the box, and I can't wait for Lazarras (sp?) to come out to add more long range to the Freikorps.

WLSFK

[skyhawk]

oh for sure lazaraus is badass! ive attempted to make a proxy out of old toy pieces and scrap metal but everything is just to big...sad face, try out hans if you can get him were you want him hes great to have working with a couple trappers

[BlueStar86]

Lazarus. Think of it as Lazar us.