Sliver Chocobo Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I would have guessed that he was the first Governor or some other human with power and unbridled ambition. They kind of hinted at that. But I can see the possibility of her being NB/H crossbreed between Jack and maybe...Lil? (Now there's a scary thought. Maybe Lil's the woman who betrayed Jack. :surprised) After reading Nekima's Fluff, that's what I thought as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmiles Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 After reading Nekima's Fluff, that's what I thought as wellThis is a scary line of thinking. I LOVE it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgar Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 One of the things I love about Malifaux is that almost everyone is shades of grey. I'd put them like this: - Good: Lady J, Hoffman - Mostly Good: Molly, Colette, Perdita - Mostly Evil: Nicodem, McMourning, Collodi, Som'er, Dreamer (don't give me that "he's just a kid" crap- he's a spoiled brat that kills people when he can't have his way, which is constantly). - Pure Evil: Seamus, Hamelin the Plagued - Somewhere in Between: everyone else Colette is one of the few masters who seems to care about her own minions, which is why I put her in the good guy camp. I agree the Dreamer is a brat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 But they've also said Jack Daw is really a Jill Daw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmiles Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I don't remember that part. Lil and Z were talking about him as if he were a man when they were saying his ambition wasn't strong enough (regarding Cherufe's prison falling from the sky). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 He's with December, Churfue and the Plagued Odd how they are all tyrants, how about a good one, or less evil Nytmare (LCB) is not a Tyrant, he is something completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Nytmare (LCB) is not a Tyrant, he is something completely different. It not been stated that he is or isn't My money says he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malandres Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'm with you silver....i think he is but we shall see i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Zoraida says he's trying to ascend in book 3 doesn't she? Which would imply that if he's not a tyrant yet, he's certainly heading that way. But then when Pandora talks to him, he doesn't seem to look at himself as one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malandres Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 he must be modest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Zoraida says he's trying to ascend in book 3 doesn't she? Which would imply that if he's not a tyrant yet, he's certainly heading that way. But then when Pandora talks to him, he doesn't seem to look at himself as one. The Dreamer's description in Rising Powers says that much. Additionally, Nytmare's description says that he "never manifested the the traditional mastery of Malifaux magics" and he is "older than most would believe, including the Neverborn." With the Neverborn (for the most part) representing the subjugated populaces of Malifaux during the reign of the Tyrants, you'd think they would know everything about all of them (and they obviously dont know much about this guy). To me this all hints at Nytmare being either an older (pre-tyrant) denizen of Malifaux or a being from another plane completely. Dont get me wrong I can see the possibility that he maybe another tyrant. This is the great thing about the fluff it leaves a lot to the reader to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgar Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I suspect the magic of Malifaux does something to it's inhabitants over time, like what happened to the cattle in book 3, and that the original inhabitants were either human or fairly close to it. Nyghtmare may be the end result of the long of the arcane evolutionary process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Lord Chompy Krueger's Nytmare on Elm Street is certainly an interesting case. Most kids just wet the bed...usually with blood. Then he met Todd and Shmee and it all went crazy from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasin666 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 one thought i had on new special forces was them making new leaders that fit in different factions like an arcanist doll maker or a guild msu loyalist an elite div. neverborn traitor for some examples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 An Arcanist doll maker would be wonderful. As for regular non-Special Forces Mercenaries, I'd like to see mercs from the other factions. So far we just have the Performer & her Mannequin willing to side with anyone with enough 'stones. And, there is Killjoy, which fits in fluff-wise as a sell out Neverborn. At a stretch, Lazarus is a Guild merc. But this is Malifaux. It's such a wicked place that we should be seeing a lot of double agents, as opposed to the full-on guns-for-hire that make up the Outcast mercs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmiles Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I might expect Sam to pick up the Mercenary (or Henchman) trait in the next book, perhaps (what with Sonnia 'gone,' and all). He might be looking for a new job, now that Lucius is on to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 By book 4, Sam and Sonnia should be able to find each other again. Then they can hole up in Latigo with the Ortegas. We've already seen the beginning of their alliance before the Event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmiles Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't know. I'm still convinced that she'll somehow settle in with the Arcanists. She always was leaning that way. Becoming one, even as she hunted them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I don't know. I'm still convinced that she'll somehow settle in with the Arcanists. She always was leaning that way. Becoming one, even as she hunted them. Perhaps she'll have a good tie in with the Witchling Stalker from Twisting Fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Perhaps she'll have a good tie in with the Witchling Stalker from Twisting Fate. Stalker 263, aka Damien Ravencroft. I want him to be a new Arcanist Henchman. He's pretty BA. And he still has Die Thou, Unsung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Thats the guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmiles Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 A rogue witchling stalker. That could be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 He also knows the oldest of magics now too, doesn't he? Which would make him fairly lethal to magic users. Unless he has to draw a magic circle round them for it to work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustcrusher Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I would add LCB to the "Pure Evil" club. Yeah, there's a club. Good point. I was limiting the list game mechanics-wise. Dreamer is mostly evil and not pure evil because he (as far as I can tell) doesn't understand the consequences of his actions- it's all fun and games and imagination, not real life slaughter to him. Obviously Nytmare knows and doesn't care. He probably chairs the Pure Evil club. Makes me wonder what could happen if LCB figures out how to use even a fraction of the Dreamer's power on his own. What happens to the kid then, hm? I'll also cast a vote for Stalker 263 to be a special Arcanist minion. If it wouldn't be too complicated or unbalanced, perhaps a special rule would also allow him to serve in a Guild crew if a Witchling Handler is present or if Sonnia leads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 He also knows the oldest of magics now too, doesn't he? Which would make him fairly lethal to magic users. Unless he has to draw a magic circle round them for it to work... Keep his Stalker anti-magic abilities and sword, and add on his range of spells. Maybe give him the Librarian's ranged attack and some of her spells, healing in particular, as helping others seemed to be part of his motivations. Maybe he can make it as a pseudo-terrain piece, like with the flame / ice pillars. Probably only have it stay until the same part of the Closing Phase that the original flame pillars do. Give it a magic dampening or suit removing kind of aura. I'll also cast a vote for Stalker 263 to be a special Arcanist minion. If it wouldn't be too complicated or unbalanced, perhaps a special rule would also allow him to serve in a Guild crew if a Witchling Handler is present or if Sonnia leads. Good point. Having Sonnia or a Handler keeping him in line in a Guild crew or having him regain his memories and join or run his own Arcanist crew, all in the same model would be a nice modular list option for a model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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