wg0912 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Hello! Can a model with slow do an all-action? If so,what about two Giant Mosquito who kill and summon each other until my opponent has no more models to activate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ozz Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Im fairly sure you can, as it is an "All" action not a 2&0 action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 sephiroa Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 im fairly sure you can, as it is an "all" action not a 2&0 action. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Sandwich Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 im fairly sure you can, as it is an "all" action not a 2&0 action. +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mike3838 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I think the Mosquito infinite activations trick is legal by the rules, but don't expect people to play against you if you insist on doing it. It's one of the loopholes in the rules that Wyrd haven't gotten round to closing up yet. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kadeton Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 You're playing Gremlins, for God's sake. How much more out-activation can you possibly need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wg0912 Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Thank you all for the answers! I dont want to play this,my friend found it and wants to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Keltheos Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Stall tactics are fun until someone realizes the person doing the stalling is doing nothing else and you can run tactical rings around them when it comes to strategy wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mr_Smigs Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 WHOA... wait a second. an (ALL) action requires all the model's AP. Rules manual (pg 32) says if a model does not have the AP required, it cannot perform the action. a model affected by Slow (-1) does NOT have ALL it's AP as it has to pay 1 after generating AP for actions. (Rules manual, Page 34, it forfeits an AP during its activation, not generates one less. it gets ALL it's AP, then forfeits one.) so it cannot pay ALL it's AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ciaran Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 WHOA... wait a second. an (ALL) action requires all the model's AP. Rules manual (pg 32) says if a model does not have the AP required, it cannot perform the action. a model affected by Slow (-1) does NOT have ALL it's AP as it has to pay 1 after generating AP for actions. (Rules manual, Page 34, it forfeits an AP during its activation, not generates one less. it gets ALL it's AP, then forfeits one.) so it cannot pay ALL it's AP. So then a model with Fast +1 can do an ALL action, then spend one more AP? That rocks! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 JuJubee Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Who is fast with an all action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kadeton Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 WHOA... wait a second. an (ALL) action requires all the model's AP. Rules manual (pg 32) says if a model does not have the AP required, it cannot perform the action. a model affected by Slow (-1) does NOT have ALL it's AP as it has to pay 1 after generating AP for actions. (Rules manual, Page 34, it forfeits an AP during its activation, not generates one less. it gets ALL it's AP, then forfeits one.) so it cannot pay ALL it's AP. Where are you getting the idea that an (all) action requires all the model's AP? That's not defined anywhere. The definition for an (all) Action is also on pg. 32: If a model performs an (all) Action, it is the only Action that model may take during its activation, including (0) Actions. Nothing is mentioned about how much AP an (all) Action costs... it's just the only Action you can ever take on that activation. Fast and Slow are totally irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fading Memory Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 You can use an all action while slow. An All Action means it is the only thing the model can do. How many AP the model started its activation with does not affect the All Action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ukrocky Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Who is fast with an all action? Any model with a student of conflict nearby that has a 0, or a shikome near its prey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ciaran Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Any model with a student of conflict nearby that has a 0, or a shikome near its prey. Yep. It was also more an example through silliness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mr_Smigs Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 Where are you getting the idea that an (all) action requires all the model's AP? That's not defined anywhere. The definition for an (all) Action is also on pg. 32: right above that where it says the value in the parenthesis is the cost in AP of the action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 psychocamel Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 WHOA... wait a second. an (ALL) action requires all the model's AP. Rules manual (pg 32) says if a model does not have the AP required, it cannot perform the action. a model affected by Slow (-1) does NOT have ALL it's AP as it has to pay 1 after generating AP for actions. (Rules manual, Page 34, it forfeits an AP during its activation, not generates one less. it gets ALL it's AP, then forfeits one.) so it cannot pay ALL it's AP. You've really got to stop doing your best to purposely misinterpret the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mr_Smigs Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 You've really got to stop doing your best to purposely misinterpret the rules. see my previous comment why would they say the value in parenthesis is the cost of the action, if it's not the cost of the action. you say misinterpret i say follow the letter of the law. but at least i don't make accusations on people's intentions or act condescending when i do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ratty Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 (edited) All, meains every item you have. If I have 20 bottles of beer and you have 3 bottles. If I had to give you all the bottles of beer I had I would have to give you 20. If you had to give me all you had it would be 3. Same in the case of AP if I'm fast and I had to spend all the AP I generated I would spend 3 general AP and my (0) AP. If you were slow all you AP would be 1 general AP and your (0) AP. If you had spent 1 general AP you wouldn't have all the AP generated so you couldn't take the all action. Slow does not cost you 1AP, it means you generate 1 less AP. AND even if you were not sure this was how it works it says this in another way just to be sure. "If a model performs an (all) Action, it is the only Action that model may take during its activation, including (0) Actions." which you can't just ignore because it doesn't match up with your definition of all. Edited December 25, 2011 by Ratty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mr_Smigs Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 even if you were not sure this was how it works it says this in another way just to be sure. "If a model performs an (all) Action, it is the only Action that model may take during its activation, including (0) Actions." which you can't just ignore because it doesn't match up with your definition of all. by my understanding "All" means just that, "all" the second statement, further defining "All" seems to just claify that is means "your full allotment of Genera, Specific, and 0 AP" (basically identifying that 0 AP is a type of AP) where I'm confused here, is when Slow doesn't say you generate less AP, but that you Forfeit AP. is Forfeit the same as "generate less" by game definitions? to my understanding, "generate less" means, during the point where you count up the AP a model would have, you simply do not count as much.... but when you forfeit something it is generated (you do count it) and then lost afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 psychocamel Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 you say misinterpret i say follow the letter of the law. but at least i don't make accusations on people's intentions or act condescending when i do it. Except you are going completely AGAINST the law, and in all the threads I've seen you in you have been nothing but condescending (see your previous comments). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 magicpockets Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 ^^^ Have to agree, there are some people on here now who don't want to anything but find fault with the rules, usually when there isn't even anything there to pick fault with, and make it look like Malifaux sucks. It isn't even trolling as that's a skill of sorts, it just seems to be blatant assh*ling for no particular reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Oshova Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 ^^^ +1 ALL is ALL, you can't have more than less than ALL in an ALL action. You can't give 110%. And you definitely can't have your cake and eat it too. Please leave your ramblings to your own head where someone may care to listen. *rolls eyes* But, I don't think I've actually come up against this, as I don't use models with ALL actions, and I haven't faced many things that make models slow. But I'm sure it's more common than I think it is. Especially where people plays Alps . . =p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Wolfgar Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 I think you guys need to calm down. Having a disagreement about the rules doesn't mean somebody is trying to destroy the game. Chill out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Omenbringer Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 ALL is ALL, you can't have more than less than ALL in an ALL action. You can't give 110%. What my drill instructors and bosses have been lying to me all this time? On a serious note, all this is definately a moot point as 2 Rules Marshal (Keltheos and Ratty) have said in this thread that you can definately use an All action even when Slow. It has been this way since before the Rules Manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Can a model with slow do an all-action?
If so,what about two Giant Mosquito who kill and summon each other until my opponent has no more models to activate?
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