Almo Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) I have been looking at Avatar Seamus' stat card and am a little confused by the wording on the morale duel for the triggers Battered Skull and Splatterpunk. For both triggers the wording on the card says that models must perform a Terrifying -> TN Morale Duel. This differs from other actions such as Bellowing of the Big Bastard which requires affected models to perform a WP -> TN Morale Duel. Does the wording in the triggers (Terrifying as opposed to WP) imply that these Morale Duels are different from 'regular' Morale Duels somehow? Is it possible that Succumb to Darkness affects these Morale Duels, for example, due to its effect on Seamus' Terrifying ability? Can anyone clarify, please? (Apologies if I've overlooked something obvious!) Edited November 30, 2011 by Almo Greater clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistercactus Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) The "standard" morale duels won't work on anything that is immune to morale duels (e.g. constructs). The terrifying duels make use of Seamus' anathema ability, meaning they will work on EVERYTHING (except aDreamer and aPandora). Edit:OOPS! IGNORE ME! Edited November 30, 2011 by mistercactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) No. Anathema does not effect the trigger Cb(:crows:crows)Battered Skull[bludgeoning Fists] or Cb(:crows)Splatterpunk [Hurl Corpse]. Anathema states "This model's Terrifying ability..." not "Terrifying duels generated by this model..." (Emphasis mine) The difference is that ALL Terrifying duels are Morale Duels, but not all Morale Duels are Terrifying duels. Terrifying only affects living models, Morale duels affect all kinds of models (I believe the only things not affected are Undead and Constuct.) And will bypass the Lifer ability. Clarification: (1)Bellowing of the Big Bastard is an AoE Morale duel, meaning most models are affected. The two Terrifying triggers Seamus has are Terrifying, meaning only living models are affected. (It just makes Brutal Embrace that much better.) Edited November 30, 2011 by Sandwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz the cat Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 No. Anathema does not effect the trigger Cb(:crows:crows)Battered Skull[bludgeoning Fists] or Cb(:crows)Splatterpunk [Hurl Corpse]. Anathema states "This model's Terrifying ability..." not "Terrifying duels generated by this model..." (Emphasis mine) The difference is that ALL Terrifying duels are Morale Duels, but not all Morale Duels are Terrifying duels. Terrifying only affects living models, Morale duels affect all kinds of models (I believe the only things not affected are Undead and Constuct.) And will bypass the Lifer ability. Clarification: (1)Bellowing of the Big Bastard is an AoE Morale duel, meaning most models are affected. The two Terrifying triggers Seamus has are Terrifying, meaning only living models are affected. (It just makes Brutal Embrace that much better.) is there a page reference or offical stance to his anathema ability not applying to the terrifying duels generated by his anathema? It seems like kind of an rules as intended vs rules as written situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 is there a page reference or offical stance to his anathema ability not applying to the terrifying duels generated by his anathema? It seems like kind of an rules as intended vs rules as written situation http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24641&highlight=anathema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz the cat Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24641&highlight=anathema thank you sir. While it saddens me, an official responce is comforting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 thank you sir. While it saddens me, an official responce is comforting It's not too bad, running around with Crooligans and with his 10 up and Terrifying ->15 seems to do a mighty fine job of scaring people. ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Gorgon's Miasma followed by 2 Bellowing of the Big Bastard helps out as well (insert mad giggle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almo Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Thanks for your replies. After reading these and studying the ancient manuscripts (my Rules Manual pdf) I now see the difference. I didn't notice that in the rules the Terrifying Morale Duel is written as Terrifying -> TN as opposed to WP -> TN. Basically, as you say, it limits the Triggers to working only on things susceptible to Terrifying effects and is, as such, a limitation. And, yes, Brutal Embrace is very yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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