nilus Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 aah, well this gives you the chance to start with some better crews and factions try ramos I am taking the plunge and getting Kaeris. Mostly because I want the fire Gaiman but also because the gunsmiths look awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroa Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I am taking the plunge and getting Kaeris. Mostly because I want the fire Gaiman but also because the gunsmiths look awesome. nice yeah fire gamins for sonnia and her avatar gunsmiths DO look awesome to bad sonnia and kaeris can't work together, would be funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tograth Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 doh. Im an idiot. forgot about Hate the Maker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 so why does lazarus has patchwork armor AND evasive 2 on his stat card? makes no sense at all This is indeed a good question. RATTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stern Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Looking forwards to grabbing this guy and adding him to my ramos crew, forgot about use soulstone, combined with a miner, i can see this guy being a cheeky bugger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Guys, Do we really need to scream for a Rule Marshal for this one. He has both abilities on his card, its clear from that he was suppose to be able to use his evasive. Based on Ratty's previous comment on this page its clear that Lazarus can not gain armor from any other source but his own already printed abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Guys, Do we really need to scream for a Rule Marshal for this one. He has both abilities on his card, its clear from that he was suppose to be able to use his evasive. Based on Ratty's previous comment on this page its clear that Lazarus can not gain armor from any other source but his own already printed abilities. Yes, whenever the rules are unclear you need a rules marshal. That's what they're here for. Intention is basically irrelevant in rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchethead Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Intention is basically irrelevant in rules. Interesting. I consider intention to be the only relevant factor, when all is said and done. It ultimately doesn't matter how many ways one can twist the written rules with semantics and willful (mis)interpretation, the only thing that matters is the developer's intention. ... which isn't to say I don't enjoy a spritely rules debate as much as the next guy, and of course I'd prefer that rules be intuitive and infallible, but when an official source drops the Hammer of Intent, everything else takes a backseat. When a rule is unclear, the intention is in doubt and a Marshal is required. Intention is at the crux of the issue. Am I being intentionally obtuse? Yes. Am I OT? Indeed. My work here is done. Edited October 18, 2011 by Hatchethead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stern Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 That's what they're here for.. Like hotel room cleaners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyled Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Shh my wallet doesnt want to hear how awesome another Levi model is. Its still crying from the Ashs and Dust and Hooded Rider purchases. Not to mention the pigapult. Oh well at least the model isnt out yet. Wallet gets a bit of rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroa Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Guys, Do we really need to scream for a Rule Marshal for this one. He has both abilities on his card, its clear from that he was suppose to be able to use his evasive. Based on Ratty's previous comment on this page its clear that Lazarus can not gain armor from any other source but his own already printed abilities. yeah, that's what i was thinking, but it still is weird because evasive and stuff give extra armor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeaDHunTeRfs Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Cool, thanks. While you're at it, we still need that clarification on whether we can Assimilating Reactivate or not. While you're at it Please clarify this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenhorn Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Cool, thanks. While you're at it, we still need that clarification on whether we can Assimilating Reactivate or not. My guess would be no because reativate is normally an effect from a spell or talent. Its not a talent or spell as required by the assimlate wording. You can however try and copy a spell or ability that could give you the effect of reactivating. Take stoke for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Interesting. I consider intention to be the only relevant factor, when all is said and done. It ultimately doesn't matter how many ways one can twist the written rules with semantics and willful (mis)interpretation, the only thing that matters is the developer's intention. Sort of. Intention is only relevant to someone who is able to make rulings. Intention to us normal people doesnt exist; at that point its interpretation since we dont know what the intention was, we can only guess. So at any time when there is a lack of clarity and no rule can strictly cover it (or where something is blatantly broken, as in this case - according to the strict letter of the rules, he cant use his evasive) a rules marshal is the only solution. While you're at it Please clarify this one... This is legal as of right now and apparently still being debated behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 First thing I plan on trying out with Lazarus is teaming him up with Colette, after all Doves are probably the best way to get scrap in the game, and my opponents keep killing the doves anyway. Plus the Duet has some great abilities to assimilate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 So at any time when there is a lack of clarity and no rule can strictly cover it (or where something is blatantly broken, as in this case - according to the strict letter of the rules, he cant use his evasive) a rules marshal is the only solution. Either that or you can just use common sense. I mean if someone came to your game night tonight with a Laz proxy are you really going to tell them that Evasive is useless. Or are you going to assume that his evasive trumps his armor restriction as that is the only common sense way it was meant to work. I mean clearly the rule needs to be rewritten slightly to take this into account when the model is released and the card is printed, but its not like its stopping anyone from playing the model. I think we can all agree that Evasive is suppose to work for him(why else would he have it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bigglesworth Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Sort of. Intention is only relevant to someone who is able to make rulings. Intention to us normal people doesnt exist; at that point its interpretation since we dont know what the intention was, we can only guess. So at any time when there is a lack of clarity and no rule can strictly cover it (or where something is blatantly broken, as in this case - according to the strict letter of the rules, he cant use his evasive) a rules marshal is the only solution. This is legal as of right now and apparently still being debated behind the scenes. I have to agree common sense not so common but hatchet does bring up a good point rule lawyering plain ruins the game. If the consensus is the action might be breaking best to avoid that action until it is ruled. Or state you are play testing it with opponent. Most important part is this is a game and should be treated as such even in touneys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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