is friendly a two-way street?

[Therril_83]

I'm about to play a game of Lilith vs Ophelia this weekend and I thought I'd try to find an answere to a question I've been thinking about.

If I use Tuco's spell Taint Loyalty on Ophelia, she "is not considered friendly to any other model in the game". So, another gremlin looking at her sees an enemy (as there is no neutral status), no question there.

But when she looks upon another gremlin, what does she see? The wording specifially mentions the target being friendly to others, not what others are to the target.

By the letter, I'd say she still sees a friendly model. But I'm hoping there is a ruling I've missed, as that would give me another way to effectively debuff the gremlins..

[bashamer]

yeah I had similar issues when I read the rules and the lawyer rules.

although I read it as if the abilities created a neutral state and things would not change to enemy.

I guess I have no idea how these abilities work in game mechanics.

per example:

"Friendly models are not affected by a friendly model's Terrifying Ability."

from (http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?19283-Terrifying-affects-own-models/page2&highlight=friendly)

Edited May 4, 2012 by bashamer
adding an example

[Sliver Chocobo]

Yep it's frend or foe, it also can help Lilith get her avatar conditions, if you feel cheesy

[bashamer]

ok, so you end up w/ a->b = friend; but b->a = foe?

[Keltheos]

Two-way street.

So Ophelia isn't friendly to the Gremlin, nor is the Gremlin friendly to her. It strips the 'friendly' status off the model.

[bashamer]

awesome, that ability works way better than I gave it credit for.

[Lucidicide]

I had it go off on my Collodi once and I flipped a poor soulstone.

Sad day.

[psychocamel]

I had it go off on my Collodi once and I flipped a poor soulstone.

Sad day.

Ouch, that is probably the most devastating use you can get for that ability.

I think if it happened to me it would be both devastating and hilarious at the same time.

[Twisted Metal]

So, another gremlin looking at her sees an enemy (as there is no neutral status), no question there.

There is actually a neutral status. See Nicodems Mindless Zombies.

[Q'iq'el]

There is actually a neutral status. See Nicodems Mindless Zombies.

Yes, but for all means and purposes a Mindless Zombie is simply hostile to all the crews. Or to put it other way around, Neutral is merely the name of the special rule, not really a game term (like "friendly" or "enemy" model).