Quick Sonnia "Magic Seeker" question

[Malcontent]

Another point came up in a game this weekend…

Sonnia's ability Magic Seeker ignores LoS against Ca7+, but there is no mention of ignoring cover, so how does that work?

If Sonnia and e.g. Raspy are separated by a building do her spells ignore the 2+ intervening walls or does Raspy get some kind of cover bonus?

[Malcontent]

The other example scenario would be if Raspy and Sonnia were separated by a wood, neither of them actually in it. Would Raspy get cover bonus?

[Sliver Chocobo]

I assume it does ignore cover since it ignores LOS

[Stern]

it only ignores LoS... so she would gain cover bonus... If it ignored cover it would say so (Like the Austringer which says Ignores LoS and Cover)

[Malcontent]

Thanks Stern –

So with that in mind, if Sonnia was stood up against a solid Ht5 wall and Raspy was on the other side several inches away would Raspy get cover from the intervening wall?

[Stern]

Thanks Stern –

So with that in mind, if Sonnia was stood up against a solid Ht5 wall and Raspy was on the other side several inches away would Raspy get cover from the intervening wall?

yep... unfortunately

[Sliver Chocobo]

I thought cover doesn't effect spells

[Stern]

Doesn't effect her spells no... she would gain cover against her shooting pistol attack.

[Malcontent]

Hang on – cover doesn't affect spells?!

Can't find any reference to this at all.

All I can find is on pg 50 of the RM –

"Spells with a melee or range icon in their Rg are melee and ranged attack Spells respectively and follow the targeting rules for those types of attacks. Modifiers that affect melee or ranged attacks affect these Spells as well."

Would that not include cover modifiers?… or have I missed something?

[Soundwave]

Spells with a or icon in their Rg are melee and ranged attack Spells respectively and follow the targeting rules for those types of attacks. Modifiers that affect melee or ranged attacks affect these Spells as well

Emphasis mine.

In other words, you should get cover from spells.

EDIT: Argh, Beaten by Malcontent

[Sliver Chocobo]

Might be part of an old ruling that i didn't notice change in the rules manual. my mistake

[Malcontent]

Maybe it's just Spells with the gun icon as their Rg that are affected by cover modifiers, so therefore Sonnia's Blast Burst would receive a negative modifier to cast but her Violation of Magic would be a straight flip?

I'm guessing here…

[Soundwave]

Maybe it's just Spells with the gun icon as their Rg that are affected by cover modifiers, so therefore Sonnia's Blast Burst would receive a negative modifier to cast but her Violation of Magic would be a straight flip?

I'm guessing here…

You are guessing correct.

[Malcontent]

So now that we've established that, can I go back to the scenario –

If Sonnia is stood facing a wall (like the naughty kid in school) and Raspy is on the other side standing several inches away in essentially an open field, are we still saying that Raspy would get a cover bonus and Sonnia would have a neg flip to cast from the wall she has her nose against when casting Flame Burst?

(Apologies for being pedantic)

[CubertFarnsworth]

So now that we've established that, can I go back to the scenario –

If Sonnia is stood facing a wall (like the naughty kid in school) and Raspy is on the other side standing several inches away in essentially an open field, are we still saying that Raspy would get a cover bonus and Sonnia would have a neg flip to cast from the wall she has her nose against when casting Flame Burst?

(Apologies for being pedantic)

My understanding for receive cover bonus is that the TARGET model has to be within 1" of the covering terrain (be it blocking or obscuring) to receive that bonus.

[Soundwave]

So now that we've established that, can I go back to the scenario –

If Sonnia is stood facing a wall (like the naughty kid in school) and Raspy is on the other side standing several inches away in essentially an open field, are we still saying that Raspy would get a cover bonus and Sonnia would have a neg flip to cast from the wall she has her nose against when casting Flame Burst?

(Apologies for being pedantic)

Indeed. But if Sonnia were to cast Violation of Magic instead, she'd have a normal straight flip since there's no and as such no cover.

EDIT: Didn't read about the Open field bit. I does indeed state that the target needs to be within 1" of the obscuring/blocking object.

Edited September 26, 2011 by Soundwave

[Malcontent]

Thanks guys

[CubertFarnsworth]

Summary:

So we have determined that spells WITHOUT the are NOT affect by the cover rules, CORRECT?

And that in order for cover rules to come into effect the spell has to have the icon and for the TARGET to be at least 1" away from the providing cover. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THE ATTACKER IS STANDING NEXT TO COVER....correct?

[Malcontent]

That is how I understand it now, yes.

[Soundwave]

I'm inclined to agree as well.

All in all, we should sue Malcontent for fooling us all into believing this would be a "quick question"!

[Malcontent]

looool – fair enough Soundwave

[CubertFarnsworth]

I'm inclined to agree as well.

All in all, we should sue Malcontent for fooling us all into believing this would be a "quick question"!

Burn the Witch!!

:asonnia

:DOOOOMMM

[FearLord]

IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THE ATTACKER IS STANDING NEXT TO COVER....correct?

Not correct. See page 15 of the rules manual under "Blocking trait", 3rd bullet point "A model within 1" of an intervening base with the blocking trait may ignore any cover it would provide the target".

[nilus]

I think you guys are confusing things

Page 15 of the rules manual spells it all out

If a any line drawn from the base of one model hits a piece of obscuring or blocking terrain then the model being targetted gets cover if its within 1" (Page 15, determining LOS, bullet 2)

This means that if you are behind cover and shooting at a target your cover is not also granting the other model cover. You only get cover if you are within 1" of a terrain piece partially blocking the LOS

The point under blocking terrain referenced above is for the odd times when two models are shooting at each other from near point blank ranges. If they are both shooting over a piece of cover they are within 1" of each other neither gets cover.