Official tournament proxy rules

[CrouchingMoose]

I know that wyrd really prefers all of the models being used in an official tournament be officially released models, but what should a player do when they have a swarm model that could show up in large numbers (ie. Gaki, mindless zombies) and wyrd has only released a few sculpts for those models. I know most people on here don't like having duplicate sculpts on the table if possible so they don't look like cookie cutter models.

Is wyrd ok with using proxies in an instance where you allready have 4 gaki ( official sculpts) on the table and you now need to use a 5th similar looking model from another model line?

[Mike3838]

I'm guessing that conversions are expected in these cases.

This might get you somewhere with Gaki, but unfortunately for some other lines, eg. Bayou Gremlins, the models are such specific and unique poses that it's really hard to customise the number of models you're likely to need :-(

Mike

[CrouchingMoose]

Yeah, that's what I mean. In the case of mindless zombies you really can't do much...and as much as I like all of wyrds models...I don't want 3 different mzs whose only difference is the way they are painted.

[LoboStele]

Well, it only applies for Official Wyrd Tournaments. But yeah, conversions (which still have to be 50% wyrd models, or uniquely sculpted by the individual) are the way you have to go. Otherwise, just gotta paint them differently. That's how I've been doing things.

[Gremlin Swarm]

The Gremlins are actually a bit more customizable than that.

They come with a variety of bits (at least the box set does), and I was able to get all 12 of mine at least 'equipped' a bit differently. (A tankard here, a banjo there, etc. A slight repositioning of an arm can help a lot, too.)

[Mike3838]

I'd be interested in seeing your alt gremlins. I can see the banjo guy getting a few different variants, but I've no idea how to start converting telescope guy and the one holding up the rifle.

Mike

[Gremlin Swarm]

All I really did for the telescope guys is to put a different bit on the base. I put some rock bits on the bases, too, which I varied, as well. It's not much of a 'conversion' (especially for the ones looking down the barrel and leveling the gun), but it lets me tell them apart.

(Can't seem to get a pic up. Probably my techno-barbarian nature causing me troubles again.)

Edited May 25, 2011 by Gremlin Swarm

[CannonFodder]

I'd be interested in seeing your alt gremlins. I can see the banjo guy getting a few different variants, but I've no idea how to start converting telescope guy and the one holding up the rifle.

Mike

Dido... I'm contemplating picking up a second blister so I can play summer properly.

As for mindless zombies, if you really are playing that many I'm sure the store henchmen will look the other way, and their are a ton of other brands. Until Wyrd start doing major sanctioned tournaments it really comes down to their rule.

For CCG in my area our store tournament person started allowing printout proxies just to speed thing up and remove the 30 minutes of people asking if they can borrow cards from each other. our group is not that bad when it come to this sort of stuff on the weekly stuff. but the big tournaments its by the book because its a fully sanctioned tournament which counts for major stuff. In L5R the winner of the Kotei you get to get to make changes to the story line and make your own cards for the next set (within reason). but if its just the usual gang on the bi-weekly tournament its very lax, and everyone remembers its just a game. Also everyone appreciates people who try new ideas to see if it works.

[CannonFodder]

also anyone use a proxy for the giant mosquito. I'm not a huge fan of the sculpt. Looking to pick up one or two and a couple alternate sculpts. Even tempted to see if I can someone who does fly fishing to make some flies and put them in resin blocks.

[goblyn13]

As spelled out in the gaining ground rules to the left there:

Proxy Rules

In an Official Tournament, proxies (substitute models) are not allowed under any circumstances, nor can a player enter a tournament with a model that has not yet been released to the general public. For local tournaments, the TO may allow proxies if they are deemed appropriate representations of the Wyrd model.

Conversion Rules

Conversions are an excellent way to show off your modeling skills. In an Official Tournament, original sculpts are allowed if the TO deems them to be accurate representations of the models portrayed. If using a model that was converted with manufactured pieces, no more than 33% of the finished model may be built using other game companies’ models, while the rest must be either wholly or a combination of original sculpt or Wyrd-manufactured pieces.

Edited May 26, 2011 by goblyn13

[Mike3838]

Thanks for confirming the official line Goblyn.

Regrettably, with such conversion unfriendly models, Wyrd leaves those of us who arent professional sculptors (and who might want to play in an official tournament) with no choice but to use multiples of the same figure two or even three times in a crew :-( In my opinion the characterful Bayou Gremlin models lose some of that character when they're not unique.

If Wyrd could squeeze another 3 Mindless Zombies and another 4 Gremlins into the release schedule (at some point) it'd be helping a lot of people out!

Mike

[Ratty]

a couple more belles wouldn't be missed either.

[Alphawog]

Is it permissible to use another Wyrd model that has been "converted"? Currently thinking the Living Impaired from the Twisted line for mindless zombies or Imps from that same line for terror totos as examples. Unless major conversion is done using other Malifaux models could cause some confusion, but the Twisted line has no rules associated and therefore are easily seen as proxy types.

[Gremlin Swarm]

Second Alphawog's question.

I've actually got some apparition models from the Twisted line I use for Witchling Stalkers.

[Gremlin Swarm]

Here's a pic of my Gremlins, as requested (finally).

I'm not much of a painter, unfortunately, but I do like fiddling with conversions (great and small).

[CrouchingMoose]

Is it permissible to use another Wyrd model that has been "converted"? Currently thinking the Living Impaired from the Twisted line for mindless zombies or Imps from that same line for terror totos as examples. Unless major conversion is done using other Malifaux models could cause some confusion, but the Twisted line has no rules associated and therefore are easily seen as proxy types.

Seconded. This would be great in my case since it would give a lot more options with Living impaired, plus those seem like they could be converted much more easily than normal mZ

[nilus]

Is it permissible to use another Wyrd model that has been "converted"? Currently thinking the Living Impaired from the Twisted line for mindless zombies or Imps from that same line for terror totos as examples. Unless major conversion is done using other Malifaux models could cause some confusion, but the Twisted line has no rules associated and therefore are easily seen as proxy types.

The Conversion rules just say that no more then 33% of the model can be from another company and that they model has to be easily identifiable as the model in question. So using other Wyrd models is fine as long as you alter them to look like the model you want.

I have been toying with the idea of putting all the male Ortegas in drag and making them extra Belles for Seamus.