karn987 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 In the name of getting everyone on the same page ... BAM! Marshal's have been kind enough to give us an updated Shadowy Form for the Rules manual wording. Enjoy! http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showpost.php?p=222629&postcount=34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmPlains Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGreen Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 So if you are shooting the Dreamer with a 10" gun and the Dreamer is 9" away and there is a Daydream 3" behind him, so 12" away and out of the gun range. Do you have to still try for the Daydream? Or if your in melee with the Dreamer but not with the Daydream do you have to try and swing at the Daydream? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucket_boy101 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Being a legal target includes being in range of the attack. This means that the Daydream would have to be in the same Melee Range that the Dreamer is in, and that it would have to be inside the pistol's 10" range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebarbalag Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Are you sure about that? Targets are declared before range is determined, for ranged attacks, at least. Maybe for melee (can't remember if you can always check your melee range during activation, or if that's just Warmachine) they'd both have to be in range. Being out of range doesn't mean it isn't a legal target, just that you're going to miss. That said, the wording doesn't say "you have to target the nightmare" it says, "you may not target the Dreamer." I may be wrong, but that's how I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poulpox Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Are you sure about that? I may be wrong, but that's how I read it. I think you are right. In melee the range can always be measured, so you know before targeting whether the target is legal or not. Therefore Dreamer can be targeted by a melee strike if the DD isn't in melee range of the attacker. However for shooting a legal target is only one you have LoS to, but this doesn't involve being in range for the purpose of targeting. So ennemy would declare Dreamer as target, then shadowy form is activated and the target is now the DD. Then the range would be checked and if DD is out of range the action fizzles. I think it's like this EDIT: it's further confirmed by Keltheos here Edited July 21, 2011 by poulpox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted July 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Nice to know, thanks for the digging Poulpox! Dreamer players will be happy to realize this after they just got finished getting used to it being ruled the opposite way >.> For any who follow the wiki, this is going to be held off from the wiki for now untill the Errata/FAQ is updated from Wyrd. There are becoming to many things to try and track and stuff is getting through the cracks. Just wanted to give people fair warning on it. Edited July 21, 2011 by karn987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmPlains Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Nice to know, thanks for the digging Poulpox! Dreamer players will be happy to realize this after they just got finished getting used to it being ruled the opposite way >.> For any who follow the wiki, this is going to be held off from the wiki for now untill the Errata/FAQ is updated from Wyrd. There are becoming to many things to try and track and stuff is getting through the cracks. Just wanted to give people fair warning on it. +1 Really need a current FAQ and Errata Page. Impossible for people to know all the single rulings floating about. I wonder why they would bother changing this if they had already ruled on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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