Pacify defender

[96p]

Pandora targets Von Schill with pacify which states "target modell performs a wp->wp duel"

Whose defender ?

Pandora because Von Schill has to perform the duell or von schill because he's the target of pacify ?

Does he get the +2wp from stubborn

LG

96p

[karn987]

Von Schill is the Defender. Page 29 of the Rules Manual in the Note part:

"The model currently taking Action is referred to as the acting model, attacking model, or attacker. The model responding to the Action is referred to as the target model, defending model, or defender."

So since Von Schill is responding to the action, that makes him the defender and he gets his Stubborn.

Edited April 25, 2011 by karn987

[Ratty]

On p18 it says an attack is an Action that requires a Opposed duel. Pandora is the Acting model so would be the Attacker, this would make Von Schill the Defender. Von Schill stubborn gives him +2Wp in duels where he is the defender.

[96p]

Other Situation, similar Problem:

- is there a defender in a terrifying duel ? And who is it ? Does he get the stubborn Bonus ?

Pandora vs Perdita:

- Does Perdita have to win a wp->wp duell against Pandora (or her Action ends) or does she ignore this ability. As Pandoras Ability doesn't state that the duell prevents ones enemy from targeting her, she shouldn't be effected by Perditas Talent.

Greetings

Martin

[magicpockets]

Other Situation, similar Problem:

- is there a defender in a terrifying duel ? And who is it ? Does he get the stubborn Bonus ?

A Morale Duel caused by terryfing is a simple duel where there is just an attacker trying to equal or beat the target total. There is no defender so Von Schill does not get the bonus.

Pandora vs Perdita:

- Does Perdita have to win a wp->wp duell against Pandora (or her Action ends) or does she ignore this ability. As Pandoras Ability doesn't state that the duell prevents ones enemy from targeting her, she shouldn't be effected by Perditas Talent.

Greetings

Martin

Perdita's See the Unseen ability means she doesn't need to pass a WP duel to target Pandora - Perdita ignores WP duels, Pandora's expose fears ability strips immunities to WP duels (which does mean Perdita loses Immune to Influence)

[Csonti]

Other Situation, similar Problem:

- is there a defender in a terrifying duel ? And who is it ? Does he get the stubborn Bonus ?

There is no defender in simple duels. Terrifying duel is a Wp->X duel without attacker or defender. In other way: if tie is enough to pass a duel, then it can't be a defensive duel.

So no Stubborn bonus and even Immune to Influence models has to take it. Provided they are living like Perdita.

Pandora vs Perdita:

- Does Perdita have to win a wp->wp duell against Pandora (or her Action ends) or does she ignore this ability. As Pandoras Ability doesn't state that the duell prevents ones enemy from targeting her, she shouldn't be effected by Perditas Talent.

Perdita's skill trumps Pandora's. She can shoot her to death without any hassle.

Sidenote: these questions arrised a few times here, so a search could give you an answer without posting a new thread.

[96p]

darn... so I'll have to hope for high Crows whenever fighting Perdita -.-

Ps.: I didn't start a new Thread, I just recycled my old one

Edited May 18, 2011 by 96p

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Also recycling threads can be confusing. Separate questions should get their own thread in the rules forum. Clarifing questions are ok though. In this case you created a different topic. Just some advice that will help you and other people find an answer.