Absolution Black Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 From a UK point of view, BBQ is practically setting fire to charcoal and then throwing slabs of meat onto the grill above to get blackened. Then taken off and apparently enjoyed even though the meat is still raw in the middle. They even have the most obnoxious sauce to go with it..BBQ sauce. I believe it tastes so bad to disguise the burnt bloody taste of the meat. Yes, you can tell I don't like BBQs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Am genuinely interested about what you think BBQ is, Dirial. In the US there is grilling (cook something fast over high heat, commonly and incorrectly reffered to as BBQ), and BBQ (cook over low heat for long time). Is it that in Europe what American's call "grilling" is usually called "BBQ"? It could just be an issue of semantics. Not saying that one is better, and really at that point it's personal preference so all joking aside no one is really wrong. That might be the core of the issue: language barrier. Thanks for clearing that up. Now, what you call BBQ (the slow cooking thing), isn't really done here. And why would it? I always wondered why I didn't like American barbecue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 From a UK point of view, BBQ is practically setting fire to charcoal and then throwing slabs of meat onto the grill above to get blackened. Then taken off and apparently enjoyed even though the meat is still raw in the middle. They even have the most obnoxious sauce to go with it..BBQ sauce. I believe it tastes so bad to disguise the burnt bloody taste of the meat. Yes, you can tell I don't like BBQs!! Oh, ok, you just haven't had good BBQ then A good BBQ doesn't need sauce. If the cook rubs the meat in the proper set of spices (I swear to god, zFiend...) and the meat is done correctly you won't even think to add sauce onto it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Oh, ok, you just haven't had good BBQ then A good BBQ doesn't need sauce. If the cook rubs the meat in the proper set of spices (I swear to god, zFiend...) and the meat is done correctly you won't even think to add sauce onto it. But you start with meat lol..I don't like meat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 If the cook rubs the meat in the proper set of spices (I swear to god, zFiend...) and the meat is done correctly you won't even think to add sauce onto it. I'm really looking forward to zFiend's reply... On topic: I really hope you don't do the spices thing before you grill that meat. That's a 100% sure way to know that someone has no idea of good meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustcrusher Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Also with regards Anime, its not my thing either. Don't get me wrong I will watch it if it comes highly recommended but I won't go out of my way to watch stuff. I think as I get older I am becoming a fussy bugger. My free time that I could spend watching films etc is getting less and less with a young family so anything I do watch tends to be either a series I follow or the odd film or two. I don't have the inclination or time to track down hidden gems anymore..sad but true. Ugh, this is life getting older. There are studies that suggest that once we're past a certain point, our tastes have hardened enough that new (or at least, seemingly new) entertainment types are not as appealing to us as our favorites. There isn't enough to make this certain, but I believe it. Much of current music that I actually like is because it reminds me of 80's pop or new wave (what was big when I was a young child) or because it's an angle on old-school hard rock or metal (the genre of choice from my teen years). What a shock that I really got into Royal Blood's "Figure It Out" last year, or Wolfmother's "Woman" or The Darkness a decade prior. This song has grown on me, because it sounds like something Depeche Mode or New Order would've done if they had formed in 2007. You are exactly right about not having time. Pandora and last.fm are helpful for music but they only go so far. As for movies and TV, it's a matter of peer review- I tend to disregard most of what my friends like (I've always been like that- if it's popular, it can't be good, right? ) unless something specific about it triggers me. One good thing about my girlfriend keeping up with current trends is that sometimes she finds a real gem, like The Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt. I would argue that the Internet has given us so many choices that we're just dumbstruck by it and don't bother. Maybe it's a generational thing and the kids today won't have the same issue, kinda like how I don't have issues with computers like older folks because I can barely remember a time where we didn't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 That might be the core of the issue: language barrier. Thanks for clearing that up. Now, what you call BBQ (the slow cooking thing), isn't really done here. And why would it? I always wondered why I didn't like American barbecue. I think with a real BBQ part of it is the experience. You grab a LOT of beer, and some friends, hang around and play with fire (while drinking beer) for 10 hours while trying to convince your wife you're actually working. Then at the end you eat several pounds of steak. The American dream, that. When I lived in Europe and go back to visit I haven't found a "proper" American BBQ. I think as to why it's bigger here is that it's just one of those cultural things. BBQ is, in my opinion, one of the only real American contributions to world cuisine. Dirial, I bet if you sneak onto an American military base you'll find some good examples there. Not sure they'll let you have some while you're sitting in a military prison though. Edit (to avoid douple post): Yeah, you rub the meat (*sigh*) before cooking. I'd suggest googling "dry rub" but I can't promise what you'll find won't be inappropriate. Also, Abs, fair play for not liking meat. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I think with a real BBQ part of it is the experience. You grab a LOT of beer, and some friends, hang around and play with fire (while drinking beer) for 10 hours while trying to convince your wife you're actually working. Then at the end you eat several pounds of steak. The American dream, that. Okay, I kind of get that. Not my thing, but I get that. When I lived in Europe and go back to visit I haven't found a "proper" American BBQ. Yeah, I get that, too. Because who would want such a thing? BBQ is, in my opinion, one of the only real American contributions to world cuisine. A good burger trumps slow cooked meat by far. My opinion. Yeah, you rub the meat (*sigh*) before cooking. I'd suggest googling "dry rub" but I can't promise what you'll find won't be inappropriate. I won't google that, but I ask you sincerely: Why would you do that? So that all of the meat tastes like smoke and firewood? Also, really looking forward to zFiend coming back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Damn it I'm trying to paint here! Stop with the goddamn meat rubbing! Yes. It's a clear indication to wanking! We all know that. And who in their right mind would wank with chili powder? No matter how many years you've done it. It simply doesn't get that boring, now does it? Sure the porn you watch usually gets on a different level and the basic one on one does nothing after a point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 And who in their right mind would wank with chili powder? You have to use the right spices, man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I won't google that, but I ask you sincerely: Why would you do that? So that all of the meat tastes like smoke and firewood? If done right it doesn't. You CAN do a BBQ without spices and the like, which does end up with a very smoky kind of meat. However, if you get the right kind of wood chips they can impart some flavor of their own, some of which are quite good. I'm a fan of maple. It works well for some meats (certain cuts of beef, like brisket). However the spices will add to the flavor. It all depends on the combination of spices. I've had beef that has had ground coffee rubbed into it and I laughed at it. Turned out to be delicious. My personal favorite is a blend of cardamom, cinnamon, cumin, some salt, mustard powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 You have to use the right spices, man! What the hell are the right spices for that? Oregano? Sure it smells good on a lot of things but cock ain't one I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 You have to use the right spices, man! Finally, you get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 So now that we've established that real BBQ is amazing, what's the next debate to take down the interwebs? I propose the age-old DC vs Marvel*. *It's a trick question anyways because Asterix >>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Image was good too. Namely for Spawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 whoever publishes Heavy Metal. Argument. Over. I don't think White Dwarf counts as a comic. The company is comical, but not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustcrusher Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'm really looking forward to zFiend's reply... On topic: I really hope you don't do the spices thing before you grill that meat. That's a 100% sure way to know that someone has no idea of good meat. We don't do this with steak. Beef barbecue is done with the meat that's not good enough for steak or chops or what have you. Pork barbecue is usually the same- the meat that isn't good enough for chops or the fancy cuts. The idea is much like that behind chili- take usable but less appetizing meat and turn it into something wonderful. Thus the slow cooking. I like a good sauce, but it should compliment the flavor of the meat, not overtake it. I can completely understand why you'd hate barbecue sauce if they're taking a strongly-flavored sauce and just dumping it on things recklessly. If the meat is cooked well, it needs little to none, though some barbecue I've had is made to go with sauce on purpose (some places offer "wet" or "dry"- wet is basted with sauce while cooking, or intended to be eaten with sauce, and dry is spice rubbed as Tehmik described). I've always dreamed of traveling overseas to see friends I rarely (or never) get to hang out with in person and actually cooking up some barbecue pork for them. US Barbecue aficionados argue about which is the best all the time. While I tend to go for Memphis style since it's what I had most, they are all good in their own ways. It's the same with pizza- there are at least three very well known styles here (a direct reproduction of Neapolitan, New York style, and Chicago style), and several more regional ones, and all are delicious. I think the old saying for pizza also applies to barbecue: "Pizza, sex, and rock 'n' roll- when they're good, they're great. When they're bad...they're still pretty good." So that begs the question- what sorts of foods do people argue about in the rest of the world? I would guess that people in Japan argue about ramen, and the French are pretty hardcore about cheese... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Speaking of marvel. The Daredevil on Netflix was a lot better than I expected. I thought it'd be shit. But it's actually quite okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustcrusher Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Z's gonna have a field day with my previous post, I'm sure... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 We don't do this with steak. Beef barbecue is done with the meat that's not good enough for steak or chops or what have you. Pork barbecue is usually the same- the meat that isn't good enough for chops or the fancy cuts. The idea is much like that behind chili- take usable but less appetizing meat and turn it into something wonderful. Thus the slow cooking. I like a good sauce, but it should compliment the flavor of the meat, not overtake it. I can completely understand why you'd hate barbecue sauce if they're taking a strongly-flavored sauce and just dumping it on things recklessly. If the meat is cooked well, it needs little to none, though some barbecue I've had is made to go with sauce on purpose (some places offer "wet" or "dry"- wet is basted with sauce while cooking, or intended to be eaten with sauce, and dry is spice rubbed as Tehmik described). I've always dreamed of traveling overseas to see friends I rarely (or never) get to hang out with in person and actually cooking up some barbecue pork for them. US Barbecue aficionados argue about which is the best all the time. While I tend to go for Memphis style since it's what I had most, they are all good in their own ways. It's the same with pizza- there are at least three very well known styles here (a direct reproduction of Neapolitan, New York style, and Chicago style), and several more regional ones, and all are delicious. I think the old saying for pizza also applies to barbecue: "Pizza, sex, and rock 'n' roll- when they're good, they're great. When they're bad...they're still pretty good." So that begs the question- what sorts of foods do people argue about in the rest of the world? I would guess that people in Japan argue about ramen, and the French are pretty hardcore about cheese... All excellent and salient points. Plus we all know that New york/New Jersey pizza is the best. I add New Jersey to the list because I used to live in a town in NJ across the river from NYC. There was a small, mob-run pizza joint that was straight out of The Sopranos. They only took cash so you just know it was a money laundering front. And yet they had the best pizza in the world. I happily gave them money and would do so again in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustcrusher Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Speaking of marvel. The Daredevil on Netflix was a lot better than I expected. I thought it'd be shit. But it's actually quite okay. I haven't seen it yet- it's a good sign when this is the worst thing I have read about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustcrusher Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 All excellent and salient points. Plus we all know that New york/New Jersey pizza is the best. I add New Jersey to the list because I used to live in a town in NJ across the river from NYC. There was a small, mob-run pizza joint that was straight out of The Sopranos. They only took cash so you just know it was a money laundering front. And yet they had the best pizza in the world. I happily gave them money and would do so again in a heartbeat. Different cravings, different pizzas. I love Chicago style (a couple of natives just opened a place here, and it's legit) but I can only eat it about twice a year. We have some solid New York style places too. If you go to Slice you find out about Quad Cities style, Detroit style, New Haven style...they are all different but they all sound freaking great in their own way. That reminds me of the Chinese(-American) place I went to once while visiting San Antonio- we were pretty sure it was a front for the Mob or maybe the Triads, but damn if the food wasn't great all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMik Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Oooh, Detroit style, forgot about that. I didn't even know about it until I started dating my now-wife (she's from there). Detroit pizza is criminally underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Z's gonna have a field day with my previous post, I'm sure... If I didn't have a goddamn Von Schill crew to paint I'd have more time to dig through all the innuendo you left there. But for now, I'm just gonna have to let it go, it saddens me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 So now that we've established that real BBQ is amazing When did that happen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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