showgirl question

[goatimus]

Can performers use the mechanical doves ability to use it as a soulstone for healing flip?

For example, I have a performer with a two wounds on her, who is in base contact with a mechanical dove. Can the performer pop the mechanical dove to do a healing flip?

Any clarification on this would be helpful as i would like to play them again next week.

[Sholto]

No, because the Performer does not have the (1) Use Soulstone Action. Only Masters have that Action.

[Fetid Strumpet]

*psssst* and Henchmen.

[marshimartian]

Unless they gain the ability to use soulstone, I know a lot of Collette's crew have abilities that let then gain use soulstone

[MrNybbles]

@goatimus:

Short answer: no.

Long answer:

No, because the Performer does not have the (1) Use Soulstone Action. Only Masters have that Action.

This has changed in the new Rules Manual.

Rules Manual (The Game, p.33)

General Actions

(1) Heal: Models with the Use Soulstone only. Discard 1 Soulstone. This model makes a Healing Flip (p.48).

The Performer can gain Use Soulstone via the Mannequin's Tricks of the Trade. However, the Mechanical Dove does not grant the Use Soulstone ability so unless Tricks of the Trade was cast on her, the Performer can't do the Healing Flip.

To expand on what marshimartian posted:

Colette and Cassandra (when hired into a crew containing Colette) have Use Soulstone.

Coryphee, Coryphee Duet, and the Mannequin have an ability called Soul Dancer which grants them Use Soulstone.

EDIT:

By default, all Masters and Henchmen have the Use Soulstone ability (which Fetid Strumpet hinted at).

Edited April 2, 2011 by MrNybbles

[Sliver Chocobo]

I assume then, a showgirl with use soulstones can discard the dove instead of of a soulstone to make a healing flip then

[MrNybbles]

I assume then, a showgirl with use soulstones can discard the dove instead of of a soulstone to make a healing flip then

Yes. The Mechanical Dove has an ability called Soulstone Powered that lets you use them in this way.

[Sholto]

Yes. The Mechanical Dove has an ability called Soulstone Powered that lets you use them in this way.

And you get a on the healing flip if you d.

[MrNybbles]

And you get a on the healing flip if you d.

This is highly debatable. From the wording my interpretation of the rules is you only get a when you discard a Soulstone to flip an additional card during simple and opposed duels.

[Drake]

Hi all im a newcomer to malifaux and the showgirls but have been scouring this forum to learn and understand more.

I have a question on the use of the dove as a soulstone...MrNybbles in the showgirl tactica refers to the use of doves as soulstones but my confusion is when u can use them like this. Can only models with Use Soulstone sacrifice them in this way?

When they can be used by whom is what is confusing..as that has tactical implications on when they are used.but I guess I am a Malifaux noon.

Thanks for any clarification you can give on this.

Drake

[Scurry]

Hi all im a newcomer to malifaux and the showgirls but have been scouring this forum to learn and understand more.

I have a question on the use of the dove as a soulstone...MrNybbles in the showgirl tactica refers to the use of doves as soulstones but my confusion is when u can use them like this. Can only models with Use Soulstone sacrifice them in this way?

When they can be used by whom is what is confusing..as that has tactical implications on when they are used.but I guess I am a Malifaux noon.

Thanks for any clarification you can give on this.

Drake

it is their ability "Soulstone Powered" which allows ANY showgirl within 3" to use it as a soulstone whether or not they have Use Soulstone.

if the model (say a performer, normally) which doesnt have use soulstone, uses the dove in this way it can only be used to flget an extra flip for attack, defense, casting flips etc.

also when they are used this way the flip gets a postive twist

[LoboStele]

Yeah, the confusion with the Healing Flip thing is that there is a prior requirement for the (1) Action of a Healing Flip, that the model must have Use Soulstone first in order to even declare the action. So that's why a Performer can't do it (unless affected by Tricks of the Trade first). But, they don't need to have the Use Soulstone ability in order to sacrifice a dove on things like Attacks, Defense, or Casting.

[Drake]

Thanks both of you for clearing that up. Now I get it. So dove escorts it is then...

[Scurry]

they are fantastic for keeping next to a coryphee duet in case your opponent gets the initiative and decides to attack it before it has use soulstones

[Drake]

Yeah and having 10" fly move they can keep up too, although they may be left out of place a bit when illusionist is involved...

Are doves generally something you use later in your turns to ensure their soulstone use is available? I can see them being useful earlier for magicians duel/flying bomb fun!

[LoboStele]

Yeah and having 10" fly move they can keep up too, although they may be left out of place a bit when illusionist is involved...

Are doves generally something you use later in your turns to ensure their soulstone use is available? I can see them being useful earlier for magicians duel/flying bomb fun!

Sometimes both. Just depends on the situation. Probably about 80% of the time use them toward the end though.

[Drake]

Yeah makes sense. Thanks for sharing the wisdom! The girls are def my play style but being new to the game I can see the learning curve already!

[Scurry]

yeah just stick with it, they were my second master after about a year of playing viks and it still took a while to get used to them.

the more games you play the more you will notice the best way to things.

little tricks like using the coryphee to put enemy models on negative to resist flips, makes magicians duel with the doves alot easier if you are low on soulstones

[LoboStele]

little tricks like using the coryphee to put enemy models on negative to resist flips, makes magicians duel with the doves alot easier if you are low on soulstones

THIS!

That trigger is awesome on the Coryphees, and don't forget to use it, especially if you've already cast Sublime Performance on the Duet previously.

Makes it awesome for all sorts of things, and not just Magician's Duel. If your opponent has a really tough model, you can hit them with that Trigger first, then have a Performer hit them with Seduction, and then have everything else wail on them, once they are at :-fate to BOTH Defense and Resist flips.

[Mentat_Canis]

I run my doves as escorts but I also spam magician's dual. As for the question when they go in my list it tends to be late but before Colette, I like keeping her last to get soulstones if needed or snipe big models that get to far out of position.

As for them being able to use a healing flip I think not but I want to say you can use them to prevent damage. I could be wrong on this.