Collodi and whom for a brawl?

[ukrocky]

So got a tournament coming up in a month or so and am looking to take my new Collodi crew which I'm happy with atm. However, the last game is a 50SS brawl, and lists aren't fixed so I HAVE to take collodi, and I have to nominate the other master prior to the tournament and was wondering who would probably be the best option vs all comers;

- Dreamer and chompy, for some burying fun.

- Zoraida, to help out with the dolls, as well as the other funky stuff going on

- Pandora, so stitcheds can do their willpower thing and she's cool anyway...

Thoughts etc. would be appreciated

Edited January 15, 2011 by ukrocky

[Ratty]

Technically you can't take Collodi as a Master in a Brawl, as there is no option to upgrade a Henchman to Master.

Instead of hiring a Master, you can choose to hire an eligible Henchman to lead the Crew during a Scrap. When a Henchman leads the Crew:

I would probably go with Zoraida, thematically. But I think you could put in Zoraida and Pandora if you wanted to. I would Check how they want to deal with the fact you can't take Collodi as a Master. As for the Dreamer far as I can remember you can't bury Marionettes as they are not Nightmares, but he might be useful if your also running Stitched. Edited January 15, 2011 by Ratty

[ukrocky]

Sorry I should have clarified that, if you take a henchman throughout the tournament then you get 10SS minus the cost of the henchman for the brawl as well as having ot take another master.

I'm genuinley stuck on which is probably the strongest master with him!

[Ratty]

I would seriously drop the 10ss bonus for not taking the second master and take 2 masters with him.

Note: Zoraida and Pandora have a Cache of 5. if you don't take a second Master you get 10ss, if you do take one of them you get 5ss in your cache. So they are really costing you 5ss. Can you name any model in the game that is as good as Zoraida or Pandora for 5ss.

[ukrocky]

I'm next to positive I can't have 2 masters, I shall pose the question to the tournament organiser, but I'm 99% sure I can't have 2 as I have nominated Collodi as my henchman master for the tournament and only get to add one for the (50ss btw) brawl.

So assume one for now

[Ratty]

I would probably go with Zoraida then.

[ukrocky]

I've only played against Zoraida once and apart from the obvious wicked doll links, what else makes her the prime candidate in your opinion?

[Ratty]

None of your force is immune to influence. And with your ability to get things exactly in the right place with Collodi being able to obey them to get another 3 attacks means you can deal with even big models with just a single marionette.

[ukrocky]

Ok, so after a conversation with the organiser I am allowed TWO masters for the brawl + Collodi. So what's the thoughts;

- Pandora and Zoraida

- Pandora and Chomps

- Zoraida and Chomps

[Ratty]

I wouldn't go for the Dreamer as he is very reliant on having the right crew to make him work, which means you will have to spend points of Day dreams + other Nightmares to make him worthwhile on top of your marionettes not having as much synergy as they can't be buried. Zoraida and Pandora would be better. Zoraida can go with any crew, will help with card draw and can Obey all your puppets, on top of which she can make Wicked Dolls which Collodi can make significant. Pandora doesn't particularly need a crew to win and works well with Stitched Together + people are so scared of her she will disrupt them an awful lot.

[ukrocky]

Wicked, cheers Ratty. Appreciate the help.

So a rough crew mock up;

Zoraida

Pandora

Collodi

3 Stitcheds

4 Marionettes

2 Wicked Dolls

Insidious Madness

Poltergeist (Pandora)

Doppleganger

Puts me at 51SS so one over, need to have a think on that. But any general tactics you'd use for them?

Thanks once again Ratty!

[Ratty]

I would be tempted to swap the Poltergeist for Primordial Madness, I think the extra card will be more useful with so many models competing for cards. Otherwise it should work well.

[ukrocky]

Where would you trim the point from in your opinion? Also, I've only seen the doppleganger used once, and I assume in such a big game it will always have a role to fill?

[Ratty]

You could drop a Stitched down to a marionette or a marionette down to a wicked Doll.

[ukrocky]

I'm already maxed out on marionettes so can't drop a wicked or a stitched down to one. And I'm loving the triple stitched threat so don't really want to give one up. I'll have a play around. Cheers ratty!

[Wodschow]

You can have Rare # x2 in Brawls.

[ukrocky]

Realy? Makes Collodi even more appealing...8 Marionettes anyone...?

[Ratty]

Realy? Makes Collodi even more appealing...8 Marionettes anyone...?

Yeah Kirai with 10 Seishin is quite silly too.

[magicpockets]

Wicked, cheers Ratty. Appreciate the help.

So a rough crew mock up;

2 Wicked Dolls

Puts me at 51SS so one over, need to have a think on that. But any general tactics you'd use for them!

I'd drop the wicked dolls at 3ss each, they're not worth it. Theryre most effective being summoned in via Zoriada so youve got a 6" placement range then the opportunity to do Malice on your next activation.

Maybe take an extra stitched for the long range cover (cloud of fog) and gambler (as you'll want as many crows as possible and it inflicts wounds) which brings you down to the 5ss you're looking for.Or drop a stitched for a marionette and take a convict gunslinger instead to give you some range.Or drop the wicked doll and a stitched, and take a bad JuJu - saves you the SS you need and gives you a beatstick (esp with v2 stats) you can obey if he's within 12" pandora - plus the doppleganger can mimic his powerful melee attack if she gets in combat.

Just some ideas, but think hard about paying for wicked dolls as they're not that effective for 3ss - as you saw at the last tourney when I played you.

Edited January 16, 2011 by magicpockets
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[magicpockets]

Double post

[Natty]

50ss brawl?

Just take the Dreamer with 16 alps and 6 daydreams.

Also, wear a helmet so you can survive the real life beating you will get for fielding that crew.

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More seriously though, Collidi with 8 marionettes is silly powerful. Just abuse the companioned 24 actions the marionettes will have after Collidi gives them fast.

To completely abuse him, I'd recommend a lot of little guys to chew up activations and then use the doppelganger and Pandora. The goal would be to eat up their activations and have collidi and the marionettes go last, or have models that can't really hurt Collidi be Pacified so they go after Collidi. Then you activate them at the end of the round and rush the entire way across the field, and attack the opponent with 9 dudes. Then, you win initiative (hopefully) with the doppelganger, and activate Collidi first and get another round of marionette death in between opponent activations.

So I'd run

Pandora & poltergeist

Doppelganger

Zoraida (because she summons more stuff in for more activations)

Collidi and Marionettes

So so far that puts you at 32 points used, so you have 18 points left.

6 terror tots go!

You could use 6 terror tot activations, pandora, doppel, totem, zoraida totem, zoraida, summoned wicked doll, so thats 12 activations (plus 1 more per turn of wicked doll summoning). You pacify the stuff you want to activate after those 12 activations, then then destroy him with Collidi 8 marionette bomb.

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Alternate first turn attack if they have very few activations. Do the same thing burning 11 of their activations, then activate Collidi and move the entire length of the board, attack with 5 or 6 marionettes that were given fast and melee expert, then activate first the next turn and pull them all back before the opponent can attack. You have a full board length yo yo death bomb.

BAM!