undergraduate question

[Kotep]

I have a question about the Undergraduate's abilities "by your side" and "made to kill", specifically if they can be used together. 

MTK states that after the model is placed it may take a /// action after resolving the current action, and BYS places the undergraduate but is not an action - so I assume that these abilities CAN'T be used together. Is that correct?

If that's the case, am I relying on the enemy to place the undergraduate? 

 

[PiersonsMuppeteer]

MTK would still be resolved after BYS due to Sequential Effects (p. 34), so they CAN be used together. Any Place effect from an Action, Ability, or Trigger during the Activation Phase will cause MTK to be generated. The only times MTK won't trigger are when you Place the model during the Start or End Phases.

MTK's "after resolving the current Action" is specifying that if an effect of an Action generates MTK, you will resolve MTK during Step 6 of resolving an Action instead of in Step 5.

[SteampunkCake]

After the April 21 errata, Undergratuates no longer have By Your Side.

https://biggerhat.net/characters/undergraduate

[Kotep]

So how do you get the undergraduate placed to your advantage? Hope that your opponent places it within 1" of an enemy model? 

[SteampunkCake]

4 hours ago, Kotep said:

So how do you get the undergraduate placed to your advantage? Hope that your opponent places it within 1" of an enemy model? 

I just went through the keyword and there isn't much really:
Undergraduate Lead the way trigger allows them to place.
Von Schtook - Stargazer Study of Anatomy trigger allows them to place.

Sadly as they lost By Your Side, that ability is kind of pointless now in keyword. Not sure if there are any versatile or OOK models that might be better equipped to place them.

[Adran]

5 hours ago, SteampunkCake said:

I just went through the keyword and there isn't much really:
Undergraduate Lead the way trigger allows them to place.
Von Schtook - Stargazer Study of Anatomy trigger allows them to place.

Sadly as they lost By Your Side, that ability is kind of pointless now in keyword. Not sure if there are any versatile or OOK models that might be better equipped to place them.

It will also happen if they are summoned from the academic zeal upgrade. 

[Kotep]

On 11/13/2022 at 9:57 AM, Adran said:

It will also happen if they are summoned from the academic zeal upgrade. 

Forgive the silly question, but how does academic zeal work? It's 0 cost... But has a special (lecture) assigned to it  So who gets it?

[solkan]

8 hours ago, Kotep said:

Forgive the silly question, but how does academic zeal work? It's 0 cost... But has a special (lecture) assigned to it  So who gets it?

If an upgrade has Special(whatever) on it, it pretty much means that the upgrades only come into play due to someone's special rules.  In this case, the Lecture upgrades are attached by Von Schtook's Peer Review action.

The setup is pretty much:

- Von Schtook takes the Peer Review action to put the Academic Zeal upgrade on a Transmortis model.  That model kills someone, discards the upgrade, summons a new minion and attaches the New Student upgrade to the summoned model (inflicting Slow, and also 2 irreducible damage if Von Schtook is out of 6.)

You end up being limited by the the number of Peer Review upgrades (limits how many summons you can prepped for) and limited by the number of summoned models you can have in play (the New Student upgrades).

 

[Kotep]

On 11/15/2022 at 12:33 AM, solkan said:

If an upgrade has Special(whatever) on it, it pretty much means that the upgrades only come into play due to someone's special rules.  In this case, the Lecture upgrades are attached by Von Schtook's Peer Review action.

The setup is pretty much:

- Von Schtook takes the Peer Review action to put the Academic Zeal upgrade on a Transmortis model.  That model kills someone, discards the upgrade, summons a new minion and attaches the New Student upgrade to the summoned model (inflicting Slow, and also 2 irreducible damage if Von Schtook is out of 6.)

You end up being limited by the the number of Peer Review upgrades (limits how many summons you can prepped for) and limited by the number of summoned models you can have in play (the New Student upgrades).

 

Awesome, thank you for explaining that!