No Shelter here and Eye of the hurricane

[Pallas4]

Hi

 

How these two rules interact with each other? Thanks

[Adran]

I think that the aura from no shelter is treated as an aura from the target, not from the attacker, so eye of the storm won't let you ignore it because it's not an aura from an enemy model. 

But I can't disprove the other reading at the moment. 

[PiersonsMuppeteer]

An Aura is an effect that affects an area around an object, in this case the object is the target of No Shelter Here. Pandora is still the controller of the effect, so models that consider her an enemy could ignore it with Eye of the Storm.

If No Shelter Here was treated as an aura from the target and not the attacker (and thus be a friendly Aura), it would affect Pandora's own crew with hazardous. 

[solkan]

1 hour ago, PiersonsMuppeteer said:

If No Shelter Here was treated as an aura from the target and not the attacker (and thus be a friendly Aura), it would affect Pandora's own crew with hazardous. 

No, that’s not how friendly/enemy work.  “Every Ability, Action, and Trigger on a model’s Stat Card and Attached Upgrades treats the use of “friendly” and “enemy” from its point of view.”
 

As second edition put it, friendly/enemy is effectively relative to the model’s card, not relative to whatever it gets applied to.  

[PiersonsMuppeteer]

1 hour ago, solkan said:

No, that’s not how friendly/enemy work.  “Every Ability, Action, and Trigger on a model’s Stat Card and Attached Upgrades treats the use of “friendly” and “enemy” from its point of view.”
 

As second edition put it, friendly/enemy is effectively relative to the model’s card, not relative to whatever it gets applied to.  

That was a statement made to show that the rules don't support Eye of the Hurricane being moot against No Shelter Here (I think we agree?). 

Your quote helps to sum up how No Shelter Here's Aura should be viewed imo; which model's stat card is the effect on? If it is an enemy model, Eye of the Hurricane can allow friendly models to ignore the Aura's effect.

An example of an "enemy" Aura that Eye of the Hurricane wouldn't work on is Daw2's Curse of Reckoning as the Upgrade adds the Aura to a friendly model's stat card.

[Adran]

4 hours ago, PiersonsMuppeteer said:

An Aura is an effect that affects an area around an object, in this case the object is the target of No Shelter Here. Pandora is still the controller of the effect, so models that consider her an enemy could ignore it with Eye of the Storm.

If No Shelter Here was treated as an aura from the target and not the attacker (and thus be a friendly Aura), it would affect Pandora's own crew with hazardous. 

Why do you say Pandora is the controller of the effect?

Is it just because she is the creator of the effect? Because that doesn't always follow. ( see drop it for something that is not controlled by the model that created the effect). 

And since the auras rules strongly imply that the object the aura is measured from is the object that is generating it, which does not have to be the same as the object that created it, I think it ends up being an effect from a friendly model. 

 

[Adran]

1 hour ago, PiersonsMuppeteer said:

That was a statement made to show that the rules don't support Eye of the Hurricane being moot against No Shelter Here 

Except the statement is wrong. Regardless of who is the controller of the effect it would need to be written as it is for the rules to tell us it will only affect models that are enemy to Pandora. 

[santaclaws01]

5 hours ago, Adran said:

Why do you say Pandora is the controller of the effect?

Is it just because she is the creator of the effect? Because that doesn't always follow. ( see drop it for something that is not controlled by the model that created the effect). 

And since the auras rules strongly imply that the object the aura is measured from is the object that is generating it, which does not have to be the same as the object that created it, I think it ends up being an effect from a friendly model. 

 

It is an aura effect of Pandora that uses the generating point as another model. Would you say the hazardous aura around scheme markers with Anya isn't an aura effect of hers? Or Fishbocker on whatever marker he targets with Danger Ahead?

[PiersonsMuppeteer]

4 hours ago, Adran said:

Why do you say Pandora is the controller of the effect?

Is it just because she is the creator of the effect? Because that doesn't always follow. ( see drop it for something that is not controlled by the model that created the effect). 

And since the auras rules strongly imply that the object the aura is measured from is the object that is generating it, which does not have to be the same as the object that created it, I think it ends up being an effect from a friendly model. 

 

Drop it explicitly states that the Enemy model drops the maker (thus making the drop not controlled by the creator of the effect). There is no such explicit distinction that control of the effect is passed to the target.