Maniacal_cackle Posted April 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 @RisingPhoenix I have you on ignore. So while I sometimes read what you say by clicking unhide (or if someone else quotes it), it is probably a waste of time to try to address me directly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted April 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 12:36 AM, Scoffer said: Errata does fix double master issues. A fresh example: McMourning title was changed to prevent infinite loop of Seamus attacks in a double master crew. It does fix some issues (although that was a remarkably game breaking busted issue), but in my view the errata primarily targets single master formats. Otherwise some of the errata choices seem pretty odd, as the nerfs hit models that aren't necessarily as problematic in doubles. Few errata seem to hit double master combos specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted April 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 Oh, the May event is going to be doubles! Six rounds of gruelling combat. So we should get some cool data out of that! That said I should note that the pools are curated as well as some other things, so I'll be posting some caveats if I post an update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im_open_to_suggestions Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 9 hours ago, RisingPhoenix said: Because they get their jank all over everyone else's stuff. Witness this thread. The little i know about the vassel events is that its not run by members of the UK community exclusively which kinda kills this part of your argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im_open_to_suggestions Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said: @RisingPhoenix I have you on ignore. So while I sometimes read what you say by clicking unhide (or if someone else quotes it), it is probably a waste of time to try to address me directly. we cam do that?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted April 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, im_open_to_suggestions said: we cam do that?! I found it hard to find as well, as it is on different spots on different devices. Mine is through the menu at the top right on this web browser. EDIT: When I use a smaller window, it is under account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoffer Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said: Otherwise some of the errata choices seem pretty odd, as the nerfs hit models that aren't necessarily as problematic in doubles. Few errata seem to hit double master combos specifically. I think that if something is problematic in singles it's problematic in doubles as well, because nobody is obliged to hire a second master when playing doubles. And general approach (as I see it) is "things that feel too strong deserve to be nerfed even if things that counter them exist". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted May 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 We had a singles event with a 15 stone OOK and versatile limit! Outcasts really cleaned up! And the top five resser players only lost to ressers and outcasts xD Not terribly useful data cuz it is a special format, but a lot of people do like to play single masters in keyword. So would be relevant for that player base! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted May 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 3:36 AM, Scoffer said: I think that if something is problematic in singles it's problematic in doubles as well, because nobody is obliged to hire a second master when playing doubles. And general approach (as I see it) is "things that feel too strong deserve to be nerfed even if things that counter them exist". My take is that double masters is a higher power format, so the bar is higher for nerfing things. Same way that 15 stone limit on OOK and versatiles is a lower power format, so has a different meta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted May 2, 2022 Report Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said: My take is that double masters is a higher power format, so the bar is higher for nerfing things. Is it though? Data are scarce but I would like to know if 2 masters list win more against single master... I wouldn't bet my house on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted May 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2022 Just now, SEV said: Is it though? Data are scarce but I would like to know if 2 masters list win more against single master... I wouldn't bet my house on it. More options is almost always a higher power level format unless those options suck. But for some examples, Molly is way stronger in doubles than singles. Same with Hoffman 2 allegedly. So it does change things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted May 2, 2022 Report Share Posted May 2, 2022 4 hours ago, SEV said: Is it though? Data are scarce but I would like to know if 2 masters list win more against single master... I wouldn't bet my house on it. By default it is a higher power format because it's just added options. I've not seen anything recently on it, but since people take a 2 master list when they think it's better than a 1 master list, it ought to look better in the direct comparison. I think it's safe to say that in some game set ups some 2 master combinations are stronger than some single master, but I've never seen results from testing where a player was forced to use 2 masters for a series of games. I don't think the actual power level difference between the two formats is hugely significant though, so I think they probably have a very similar bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Butter Posted July 10, 2022 Report Share Posted July 10, 2022 I find data like this incredibly fascinating. Does anyone know if there is other stuff being tracked? I'd be interested in everything from percentage of stones spent of versatile models to scheme selection to individual master win percentage breakdowns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted July 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, Avatar of Butter said: I find data like this incredibly fascinating. Does anyone know if there is other stuff being tracked? I'd be interested in everything from percentage of stones spent of versatile models to scheme selection to individual master win percentage breakdowns... Nope, just basic master stuff unfortunately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 55 minutes ago, Avatar of Butter said: I find data like this incredibly fascinating. Does anyone know if there is other stuff being tracked? I'd be interested in everything from percentage of stones spent of versatile models to scheme selection to individual master win percentage breakdowns... Crew construction data doesn't exist since it would require the MWS to collate the crews played. Currently they only require Master/Title to be submitted. That said scheme selection data and the rate at which they have been scored has been collated and reviewed on the Discord at the end of each event. Same goes for the Master win percentages and frequency of play. So we know, for example, that Research Mission is massively overperforming in every Strategy save for Symbols of Authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8wGremlin Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 Where can I get access to this data? is their a link to it? (new player) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted July 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, 8wGremlin said: Where can I get access to this data? is their a link to it? (new player) Unfortunately the database for the website is no longer maintained, so it is just occasionally released like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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