Shielded and burning

[Martin Kennedy]

Hi all just a query regarding the timing of shielded and burning/poison. Shielded ends during the end phase and both burning and poison do damage during the end phase so which would you do first, the damage which could then be reduced by shielded or the shielded ends then the damage is done?

[touchdown]

My understanding is that the model's controller does simultaneous effects in the order of their picking. So you can prevent burning and poison damage with shielded if you want, or not if that's helpful (ie scoring hidden martyrs or something).

[solkan]

All three of the relevant effects for those Conditions are “Dusing the end phase...” clauses, so they’re going to be simultaneous effects.  And, like touchdown wrote, the model’s controller will get to choose the resolution order.

If Shielded had said “This condition lasts until the End Phase”, or something similar, then it would expire first.  But it doesn’t.

Edit:  You may notice that the Detailed Timing chart mentions effects that last until the end phase expiring before effects that resolve during the end phase.  Examples of effects that last until the end phase are Zoraida's Poisoned Fate ("Until the End Phase, ..."; Vent Steam ("Until the End Phase, ..."; Pandora's Grasping Tentacles ("Until the End Phase, ..."); Nekima's Enraged By Insolence ("Until the End Phase, ..."); and others.

The distinction is specific to the wording used for the effects.  Informal paraphrasing doesn't change the facts (like someone describing Shielded as lasting until the end phase) and can often be misleading.

[Martin Kennedy]

21 hours ago, touchdown said:

My understanding is that the model's controller does simultaneous effects in the order of their picking. So you can prevent burning and poison damage with shielded if you want, or not if that's helpful (ie scoring hidden martyrs or something).

Thanks, that's what I thought but couldn't find where it was written in the rules.

[Martin Kennedy]

19 hours ago, solkan said:

All three of the relevant effects for those Conditions are “Dusing the end phase...” clauses, so they’re going to be simultaneous effects.  And, like touchdown wrote, the model’s controller will get to choose the resolution order.

If Shielded had said “This condition lasts until the End Phase”, or something similar, then it would expire first.  But it doesn’t.

Edit:  You may notice that the Detailed Timing chart mentions effects that last until the end phase expiring before effects that resolve during the end phase.  Examples of effects that last until the end phase are Zoraida's Poisoned Fate ("Until the End Phase, ..."; Vent Steam ("Until the End Phase, ..."; Pandora's Grasping Tentacles ("Until the End Phase, ..."); Nekima's Enraged By Insolence ("Until the End Phase, ..."); and others.

The distinction is specific to the wording used for the effects.  Informal paraphrasing doesn't change the facts (like someone describing Shielded as lasting until the end phase) and can often be misleading.

Thank you!

[solkan]

2 hours ago, Martin Kennedy said:

Thanks, that's what I thought but couldn't find where it was written in the rules.

If you’re looking at the rules PDF, on page 21 (End Phase) there’s a reference “If there are multiple effects, follow the timing rules on page 34.”  And one of the sections on page 34 is Simultaneous Effects.  It’s not quite the clear cross reference it could have been, but that’s what the authors were trying to do there.

It’s similar in the printed books, although the page numbers are probably different.