Lucius, Dishonorable

[Adran]

4 minutes ago, Sweet Tooth said:

Dashel is 6 letters 

And the model looks like Dashel to me, but Lucius is also 6 letters...

Edit - oops missed the last couple of posts on the bottom of the last page...

[Sweet Tooth]

1 minute ago, Adran said:

And the model looks like Dashel to me, but Lucius is also 6 letters...

Yeah.. I’d guess that’s a Sergeant in the image.

But the single 6 characters as a name, one big question mark and then 3 other black question marks does feel like a Lucius/Nexus combo.

Either way, I’d be super happy with another Guild reveal!

[admiralvorkraft]

Do the hosts have strong master preferences? I guessed Von Schill, Ironsides, and Zoraida but I don't listen to RQW.

[Nathan Sells]

1 hour ago, admiralvorkraft said:

Do the hosts have strong master preferences? I guessed Von Schill, Ironsides, and Zoraida but I don't listen to RQW.

RQW has hinted something Bayou. I'd guess Mah or Ophelia

[Raising]

marcus could be too

[dancater]

Well we've had the partial spoiler. Including all the GenCon released models.

 

[Zombified Kiwi]

I still wanna know why his hands are blue.
What happened to his gloves?

[HomelessOne]

That's what his clawed hands actually look like under his gloves.

[Zombified Kiwi]

It makes sense, I'm just wondering what story reasons lead to him covering up less.

[HomelessOne]

Well, he takes them off when he wants to claw people. Happens in the 3e Guild book for example.

[Adran]

19 minutes ago, ThreeBatts said:

It makes sense, I'm just wondering what story reasons lead to him covering up less.

Blood is very hard to clean out of a good pair of gloves. 

And if you're being dishonourable then you don't need the ability to issue a duel, so less call for gloves (at least until Malifaux learns to fingerprint...)

[Thatguy]

Copied from Neverborn thread.

I really like the new Lucius.
Guaranteed suits in a crew with Mimic abilities seems to open a whole mass of cool combos. Like Agent 49 and the Doupleganger standing next to a Rifleman and Lucius's scheme marker for a bunch of ranged Execute tirggers.
 

[admiralvorkraft]

It is once per activation for the free suit, but still.

It's not what I wanted Lucius to be, but it did some very cool stuff. I can't see taking Lucy1 at this point - there are reasons to take him, I just can't see doing it when Lucy2 shifts gears better and generates more weird lines of play.

[Angelshard]

@admiralvorkraft Lucius1 has a much stronger Gunline and works better with OOK models. Plus arcane reservoir and subterfuge are two really strong abilities.

I wouldn't say one is better than the other, but Lucius2 does have secret passage changelings, which I'll have to do, just for the gimmick. 

What I like most about Lucius2 though, is that he finally enables investigators. I've had a hard time justifying them on the table. 

[trikk]

1 hour ago, Angelshard said:

I wouldn't say one is better than the other, but Lucius2 does have secret passage changelings, which I'll have to do, just for the gimmick. 

Secret Passage Changelings work best T1 and then it becomes a problem. This Lucius also has less card draw, 6 cards and no "discard enemy severe so that they can draw better severe"

[Angelshard]

27 minutes ago, trikk said:

Secret Passage Changelings work best T1 and then it becomes a problem. This Lucius also has less card draw, 6 cards and no "discard enemy severe so that they can draw better severe"

To be honest, I don't think I'm going to use changelings with lucius2.

Misinformation should read "discard up to two cards and then the target draws a severe and something else." 

[Angelshard]

I'm thinking grim well is going to be a stable in Lucius2, seems like they combo quite well. 

[theamazingmrg]

I really like this Lucius.  His free Scheme Marker every turn suddenly makes False Witnesses (or any model with False Claim) much better, and the Condition-based damage reduction allows him to get up close and personal while he's doing his murder.  Cavatica supports this by being really effective at handing out Injured and Staggered.

 

And Newcius still has a pseudo-Obey as his bonus action, so you can still trigger all teh out-of-activation card draw nonsense that his original version used to do.

 

Overall, I think he's a much easier Lucius for a newer player to pick up, still very strong, but doesn't automatically replace the original.  Which is exactly what was needed.  The reason I've put off trying out Lucius is because of the potential complexity.  I don't have that concern with the new Title.  Looking forward to it, in fact!

[Maniacal_cackle]

If this Lucius has LLC and shielded, models with conditions have to do 4 damage to actually hurt him xD

[Angelshard]

1 hour ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

If this Lucius has LLC and shielded, models with conditions have to do 4 damage to actually hurt him xD

Unfortunately using your last focus for plus to hit him means it doesn't count for superiority😞

[Eclipse]

I haven't played Lucius in years now, but the great new title and the fact that he shares a box with Nexus made me order the box. I'm thinking of playing him in this version as second fiddle to his old lieutenant, Dashel. Oh, how the roles have turned!

[HomelessOne]

 

[LexLock]

I think the biggest advantage that 2cius has over 1cius is being a decent threat. Just having a big beaty model to back up your somewhat fragile crew makes them so much harder to dive.

Every Lucius player should make sure to pick up Klaus and Changelings now, Klaus is kind of obscene and you only really need one changeling to copy his tactical with "Just like you!" and then you can use mimic to dupe it as required.

[Angelshard]

I don't know about Klaus, I mean he definitely looks good, I'm just not sure what he should replace. Probably a second lawyer, if I run two. 

If his bonus was a regular action he'd be much more appealing. 

[Maniacal_cackle]

Nevermind, image isn't working xD