deltakilo Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Hi guys I am trying to understand if a cryptologist can use its antique timepiece to trigger Meredith Stanley's ability to grow eyes and ears into berserker husks? The errata for summoning makes me unsure if its legal or not? Cryptologists can only replicate abilities that don't attach upgrades and whilst the ability doesn't attach upgrades the errata treats summons as having an upgrade regardless so just trying to get clarity. My gut says the that you are treated as having one but you dont attach so can replicate, but I'm too new at the game to be certain how things like this work. Pg 32. Summoning - Paragraph 6 ° Change the text to: “If an effect would Summon a model and does not require an Upgrade to be Attached, the Summoned model instead gains a Summon token. Models with Summon tokens are treated as having a Summon Upgrade for all effects that specifically reference Summon Upgrades. On the turn they are Summoned, Summoned models cannot take the Interact Action and are ignored for friendly Schemes and Strategies.” appreciate the response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muraki Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Replaces aren't summons so summon tokens do not apply in this situation, but that really applies to hired eyes and ears. As for summoned ones I'm not sure.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muraki Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 And thinking about it I think it'll still work for summons as the ability itself does not attach an upgrade the replaced model merely happens to have one. The restriction is really more so you can't have shen / yan do upgrade shenanigans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltakilo Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Appreciate it, I just wanted to be sure before I started buying certain things. Thanks mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltakilo Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Whilst I am at it with the trigger on the time piece do you have to strip a condition to then take the action or are they two separate effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muraki Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 End a condition is in italics so it's a cost. So you need to remove it to get the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltakilo Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, muraki said: End a condition is in italics so it's a cost. So you need to remove it to get the rest. ahh that's how it works. excellent, thanks mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllYeahBrother Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 hours ago, muraki said: Replaces aren't summons so summon tokens do not apply in this situation, but that really applies to hired eyes and ears. As for summoned ones I'm not sure.... Summoned Eyes and Ears would come in with the summon token, so if they're grown into Husks, the Husks would also have the token. Works similarly with Ashes&Dust reforming. The Dust is summoned and replaces into A&D, so that new A&D has the token. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Summon Tokens are only upgrades for effects that reference summon upgrades. For anything else it's just a random token. Additionally the ability itself doesn't attach anything, it's just a potential consequence of the effect the ability generates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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