Another Hidden Martyr + Insignificant + Replace Question

[Cats Laughing]

Obviously you can't select an insignificant model for Hidden Martyrs when selecting the scheme, but certain models can replace into other models, and at least one (the Terracota Warrior) can replace itself with an insignificant model if it so chooses.

 

I have an answer in my mind, but just want to make sure:

If one of your selected models for Hidden Martyrs replaces itself with an insignificant model can it still count for either point of Hidden Martyrs?

 

My thought is that because it's now insignificant it doesn't count for the scheme so:

-the now insignificant model can't count as the killed model for the first point

-the now insignificant model can't count for the second point

-You can still score the first point if the other (2nd selected) model is killed **

-You can still score the second point if the other (2nd selected) model is still on the table and engaging a higher cost enemy at the end of the game.

(basically you can get 1 point for the scheme)

 

** Question part 2: Since one model is now insignificant and doesn't count towards the scheme, does it matter if that insignificant model is killed on the same turn as the other model selected for the scheme?

[solkan]

The part that I’m stuck on is the clause in Replace that says that the new model is considered a valid reference for whatever effect was referencing the old model.  That may be enough to contravene Insignificant for some applications.

[regleant]

Deleted (reread the rule)

[Angelshard]

I'd say point 4 under replace makes it pretty clear that an insignificant model is still legal and counts for the purpose of the specific scheme where it was named. 

[santaclaws01]

The Breaking the Rules callout box is pretty explicit. Model rules trump course rules, and restrictive rules trump permissive rules. There's really no way to interperet the replace rules as overriding insignificant.

[Angelshard]

@santaclaws01

4. If the new and original models belong to the same Crew, the new model becomes the target of any effects that targeted or chose the original model, such as Schemes, Leader designation, or lasting game effects. The new model is always considered a legal target for those effects.

Then what is the purpose of the last paragraph? 

[santaclaws01]

1 hour ago, Angelshard said:

@santaclaws01

4. If the new and original models belong to the same Crew, the new model becomes the target of any effects that targeted or chose the original model, such as Schemes, Leader designation, or lasting game effects. The new model is always considered a legal target for those effects.

Then what is the purpose of the last paragraph? 

For every other thing listed in there other than trying to make an insignificant model a target for schemes.

[Angelshard]

@santaclaws01 you're right. I guess it just threw me off that the last statement is just a catch-all that will never trump any contradictory rules, but is there to prevent discussion.